Healthcare-NOW! 2009 National Strategy Conference

  1. 4 I am headed to this in November. It is the most important patient advocacy of our times.

    Healthcare-NOW! is the coalition that has been staging sit - ins at insurance companies around the country. Our position is that profit needs to be taken out of health care funding and that a single payer system should replace the debacle we are currently in.

    Healthcare-NOW! 2009 National Strategy Conference
    Join Us in St. Louis!
    You are invited to join Healthcare-NOW! activists from around the country to plan our strategy to win guaranteed single-payer national health insurance. By learning and sharing from one another we can build on the tremendous successes of the last year and develop the plan to push Congress to implement single-payer national health insurance NOW.
    When: Saturday, November 14th and Sunday, November 15th
    Where: Sheraton Westport Plaza, 900 Westport Plaza, St. Louis, MO
    Time: Sat, 4pm - 9pm (dinner on your own)
    Sun, 8am - 4pm

    http://www.healthcare-now.org/campaigns/strat-conf/
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  4. Visit  GCTMT profile page
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    Good for you Big Red. I am also a member of Health-Care NOW! but I will be unable to attend the function in St. Louis.

    Hopefully soon they will be an organized even in my neck of the woods.
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    Where are you from GCTMT? I am north of Denver and helping to plan the civil disobedience action at an insurance company to be announced. This is just the start. It our civil rights movement and RNs should be at the front of the entire cause for universal, non profit health care.

    I would encourage all RNs here, as well as student RNs to get involved in this movement. it long overdue.
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    Quote from bigreddog1934
    Where are you from GCTMT? I am north of Denver and helping to plan the civil disobedience action at an insurance company to be announced. This is just the start. It our civil rights movement and RNs should be at the front of the entire cause for universal, non profit health care.

    I would encourage all RNs here, as well as student RNs to get involved in this movement. it long overdue.
    You might be surprised at the number of RNs (3 in my house, most at my hospital) that don't support any of this stuff. That is pretty much a reflection of the public at large.
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    "On the issue that has been perhaps the most pronounced flash point in the national debate, 57 percent of all Americans now favor a public insurance option, while 40 percent oppose it."

    - Washington Post-ABC News poll, October 20, 2009

    Once again, K98, your personal experiences to do replace the actual evidence. And given the accelerating failure of health insurance, I would expect the number favoring guaranteed healthcare to rise in the future.
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    A Washington Post poll? Come now, they are farther left than Pravda. You can do better than that.
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    Yes, K98. At this point would you like me to do your research for you, or would you actually like to look outside of your personal experience and perceptions for information. Either one is fine with me. We can consider it a mutual exploration into US healthcare satisfaction numbers.

    Also, does the World Health Organization have any credibility with you? How about Gallup and USA Today?

    I am just wondering where your sources of information come from before we start into an informed discussion.
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    Quote from K98
    A Washington Post poll? Come now, they are farther left than Pravda. You can do better than that.
    The Washington Post is a lot more credible than your personal opinion ...
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  11. Visit  RN4MERCY profile page
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    Quote from bigreddog1934
    I am headed to this in November. It is the most important patient advocacy of our times.

    Healthcare-NOW! is the coalition that has been staging sit - ins at insurance companies around the country. Our position is that profit needs to be taken out of health care funding and that a single payer system should replace the debacle we are currently in.

    Healthcare-NOW! 2009 National Strategy Conference
    Join Us in St. Louis!
    You are invited to join Healthcare-NOW! activists from around the country to plan our strategy to win guaranteed single-payer national health insurance. By learning and sharing from one another we can build on the tremendous successes of the last year and develop the plan to push Congress to implement single-payer national health insurance NOW.
    When: Saturday, November 14th and Sunday, November 15th
    Where: Sheraton Westport Plaza, 900 Westport Plaza, St. Louis, MO
    Time: Sat, 4pm - 9pm (dinner on your own)
    Sun, 8am - 4pm

    http://www.healthcare-now.org/campaigns/strat-conf/
    Way to go, bigreddog. Sorry I won't be able to join in on this one, but I'll be interested in hearing updates on their future strategies. Do you happen to know if they're planning any sit ins that target specific legislators who are voting to keep the status quo = insurance companies in charge of who gets to live or die? Many of us think they're defacto members of the insurer's death squads and we should be mobilizing to call out these corporate handmaidens and "death by spreadsheet bureaucrats". They're the enemies of patients, nurses, and humanity in general and they shouldn't be able to get away with thwarting the will of the people. We need to elect people who will take their job of protecting the public more seriously. I agree that equitable and fair access to healthcare has become the civil rights issue of our time. Thanks for your advocacy for a single payer national health plan. Everybody in, nobody out!
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    Quote from bigreddog1934
    Yes, K98. At this point would you like me to do your research for you, or would you actually like to look outside of your personal experience and perceptions for information. Either one is fine with me. We can consider it a mutual exploration into US healthcare satisfaction numbers.

    Also, does the World Health Organization have any credibility with you? How about Gallup and USA Today?

    I am just wondering where your sources of information come from before we start into an informed discussion.
    None of those sources have any credibility with a large number of Americans. You can surf the net to find support for ANY position, then link it. So what. All that means is that you can waste your time developing sources that agree with YOU. You communists get a little testy at times. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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    Quote from K98
    None of those sources have any credibility with a large number of Americans. You can surf the net to find support for ANY position, then link it. So what. All that means is that you can waste your time developing sources that agree with YOU. You communists get a little testy at times. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
    K98, hello.
    What's your strategy for healthcare reform? Do you even believe that reform is necessary? This thread isn't about communism and your name-calling doesn't further the discussion; in this case it appears to be an attempt to shut it down, or "hijack" the thread.
    Communism (from ConservaPedia): Communism is a materialistic and militantly atheistic ideology created to justify the overthrow of "Capitalism", replacing free market economics and democracy with a "dictatorship of the proletariat". Under Communism, the political system replaces the private ownership of the means of production with "collective ownership" (actually nationalization).

    Troll (from Urban Dictionary): One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
    So, do you agree or disagree with acts of civil disobedience as a strategy to raise the consciousness of people regarding the injustice inherent in a for-profit health insurance industry? Have you ever been to a Healthcare-NOW rally? I have and there are wonderful people who put their heart and soul into making this country a better place to live---union workers, churchgoers, teachers, firefighters, physicians and nurses are willing to risk arrest as advocates for social justice in health care.

    To us that means winning a single payer system, an improved and expanded MediCare for All national health plan.
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    K98, hello.
    What's your strategy for healthcare reform? Do you even believe that reform is necessary? This thread isn't about communism and your name-calling doesn't further the discussion; in this case it appears to be an attempt to shut it down, or "hijack" the thread.

    So, do you agree or disagree with acts of civil disobedience as a strategy to raise the consciousness of people regarding the injustice inherent in a for-profit health insurance industry? Have you ever been to a Healthcare-NOW rally? I have and there are wonderful people who put their heart and soul into making this country a better place to live---union workers, churchgoers, teachers, firefighters, physicians and nurses are willing to risk arrest as advocates for social justice in health care.

    To us that means winning a single payer system, an improved and expanded MediCare for All national health plan.
    Might I ask why you believe you have to demonstrate? I thought this health care reform is/was a done deal?

    Is Kellog's a for profit company. Imagine the right to food and someone's making obsence profits from cereal?
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    Quote from Onekidneynurse
    Might I ask why you believe you have to demonstrate? I thought this health care reform is/was a done deal?

    Is Kellog's a for profit company. Imagine the right to food and someone's making obsence profits from cereal?
    Healthcare reform is not a done deal; it never will be as long as insurance companies are allowed to decide who gets care and who doesn't. Access to comprehensive health care services is a right. It is the responsibility of society, through its governement, to assure this right.

    When we ratified the United National General Assembly Universal Declaration of Human Rights on Dec 10, 1948, we agreed in Article 25:
    •(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
    •(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

    According to Dr. Marcia Angell, of Physicians for a National Health Plan, "We live in a country that tolerates enormous disparities in income, material possessions, and social privilege. That may be an inevitable consequence of a free market economy. But those disparities should not extend to denying some of our citizens certain essential services because of their income or social status. One of those services is health care. Others are education, clean water and air, equal justice, and protection from crime, all of which we already acknowledge are public responsibilities. We need to acknowledge the same thing for health care."

    Why demonstrate? Well, we've written letters, made phone calls, burned up the fax machines, knocked on the doors and had them slammed in our faces hoping to get a seat at the table, to present an effective cure for the broken health system, so to speak. Single payer advocates were shut out and are continuing to be shut out of the debate, in favor of corporate interest legislation that won't be successful in controlling costs or expanding care. What I see is placebo politics offered in place of genuine reform. People's lives are at stake; our country ranks 37th in health outcomes according to the World Health Organization. Morally and ethically, as the richest country on earth, we can afford to do better; leading economists agree that we can well afford to expand and improve Medicare to cover all of us. It's obscene that we don't try. We have the highest death rate from preventable/treatable conditions out of the top 19 industrialized countries.

    In the words of Lillian Wald, founder of public health nursing, "We commit ourselves to any wrong or degradation when we do not protest against it." That's why we demonstrate. It's worked before in the history of civil rights movements, so why not? Continuing with the status quo is not working! As nurses we have a duty to change circumstances that are against the interests or wishes of our patients. For-profit health care is just such a circumstance!
    Last edit by RN4MERCY on Oct 27, '09
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