Healthcare is NOT a basic human right. - pg.33 | allnurses

Healthcare is NOT a basic human right. - page 33

If one were to read the Constitution one would realize that the Constitution does not grant anyone freedoms, liberties, or rights. The Constitution only protects freedoms, liberties, and rights from... Read More

  1. Visit  suanniam4 profile page
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    It really gets to me when I here nurses calling other nurses uncaring and selfish! I don't think any of us are against help to people that need it for a short term. It's long term assistance that I don't get. healthcare is a right, which leads to food stamps is a right, free housing , free education and cell phones? Where does the responsibility end really. I am very compassionate and feel most nurses are too. but everyone is struggling nowadays. And a couple extra bucks for the gas,tank instead of additional tax could help us too. Most of the personal stories/struggles that have been mentioned have been temporary. I don't think anyone is against helping people get back on their feet. It's long term and multigenerational assistance they have a,problem with.
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  2. Visit  FMF Corpsman profile page
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    I don’t know how many Home Health Practitioners we have on this board, but how have you been affected with any recent cuts in Medicare/Medicaid? In Florida, there have been serious cuts due to the fraud perpetrated in South Florida, Miami, and Ft. Lauderdale, and by none other than our illustrious governor’s former companies, and in Texas. This fraud was committed by a few people, yet the industry in the entire State is being punished for it., by being forced to endure serious cutbacks in reimbursement, and now with ObamaCare it will be cut yet again by another 11%, to a total of over 20+% in the last 3 years. These cuts are devastating the Home Healthcare Care Industry in Florida and in Texas. Patients will be required to stay as in-patients longer and pay those rates verses recovering at home. It makes no sense what so ever.
    Last edit by FMF Corpsman on Oct 5, '12 : Reason: HTML tags
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  3. Visit  joanna73 profile page
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    This debate is about universal health care. Not food stamps, welfare, race, status, etc. Some people equate universal health care with handouts, when the idea behind it benefits everyone. Sure, I pay more in taxes than someone who makes less. By doing so, this ensures that they have access to care, as do I.
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  4. Visit  cdsga profile page
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    I have worked home health and since it is mostly medicare and medicaid-the documentation is unbelievable. The diagnosis and treatments must match. Supplies are inventoried, and you basically do the best you can. Since home health nurses face this type of care and can get a taste of what government is like when involved in healthcare-my eyes were opened wide-they can articulate better what is to come. The whole premise of home health was to enable better education, get people out of the hospital for treatments that could occur at home and decrease the expense on the patient and the gov't. Keeping beds open for those who truly need hospitalization is still an extremely important value.
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  5. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
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    I completely agree. I work in HH too, in GA. I have spoken to accounting about this, and was told that we basically make pennies on the dollar in profit when we take Medicare/Medicaid cases. And I can't see how it will get any better in the years to come with all the cutbacks.
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  6. Visit  cdsga profile page
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    Unsung heroes in nursing in my book-We see things others don't and never will subject themselves to. When you work in other's environment that's where rubber meets the road people.
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  7. Visit  withasmilelpn profile page
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    Quote from realmaninuniformThis is to 37 degrees - No it is not irrelevant, whether you are or in your case NOT a nurse. This is a site and a thread for NURSES. You are clearly not one. Did anyone else just hear that? It was 37 degrees' credibility going down the drain.... We deal with the sick, the injured, the young, the dieing, 24/7... What do you do? Haunt internet chat boards attempting to prove something which has already been debunked time and time again? All in the name of "research"? Take your propaganda somewhere else comrade. It's not welcome here in the land of the free, and home of the brave!"

    And in our land, we have the 'right' to free speech. Don't trample on 37 degree's rights because you don't agree with him. I for one don't care if he's a janitor. What he has to say is interesting, just as this debate is interesting. What you think is as valid as him and this is an important topic to all. It needs to be discussed - respectfully please.
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  8. Visit  mc3 profile page
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    I worked for a "reputable" home health agency in Florida. I left after two months due to the absolutely wasteful practices and policies. It was disgusting, but I was told "well, we can do it, so we are". It's made me very bitter toward home health agencies overall. More governmental involvement will just make it worse. Done an OASIS, anyone?
    I want the government out of my healthcare.
    mc3
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  9. Visit  FMF Corpsman profile page
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    Quote from Jeweles26
    I completely agree. I work in HH too, in GA. I have spoken to accounting about this, and was told that we basically make pennies on the dollar in profit when we take Medicare/Medicaid cases. And I can't see how it will get any better in the years to come with all the cutbacks.
    And therein lies the problem. Where reimbursement is already so low it barely pays to care for Medicare/Medicaid pt's and ObamaCare promising to come along and cut an additional 11%, no one is going to be willing to accept these patients when they are D/Ced from the Hospital, causing a backup and a higher hospital bill for the increased time in house. Let's say, God forbid, Romney gets elected and ObamaCare is repealed, Romney has already stated he's going to cut NPR, and EVERY other non-essential program, what chance do you think healthcare for the poor and disenfranchised has of making the cut? I would say just about zip. The man has more money than the last 14 Presidents combined, he is not altruistic by nature. I don't particularly care for Obama either but they have yet to establish the None of the Above Selection, so we are stuck with one of them. There is an idiom that says "it's better the devil you know, than than the devil you don't," it's something that you say to mean it is better to deal with a person or thing you know, even if you do not like them, than to deal with a new person or thing who could be even worse.
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  10. Visit  toekneejo profile page
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    Welp, I thank everyone for their opinions and wish you all well. I for one am tired of beating a dead horse. I believe I now understand the mindset of those who want ACA and believe I have stated my disagreements with it. May God help us to a reasonable outcome!
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  11. Visit  lykeen profile page
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    Quote from squatmunkie_RN
    If we never changed anything in the Constitution I'd still only be three-fifths of a person.
    I wholeheartedly agree! There is a reason they are called 'amendments'!
  12. Visit  DoGoodThenGo profile page
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    Quote from FMF Corpsman
    And therein lies the problem. Where reimbursement is already so low it barely pays to care for Medicare/Medicaid pt's and ObamaCare promising to come along and cut an additional 11%, no one is going to be willing to accept these patients when they are D/Ced from the Hospital, causing a backup and a higher hospital bill for the increased time in house. Let's say, God forbid, Romney gets elected and ObamaCare is repealed, Romney has already stated he's going to cut NPR, and EVERY other non-essential program, what chance do you think healthcare for the poor and disenfranchised has of making the cut? I would say just about zip. The man has more money than the last 14 Presidents combined, he is not altruistic by nature. I don't particularly care for Obama either but they have yet to establish the None of the Above Selection, so we are stuck with one of them. There is an idiom that says "it's better the devil you know, than than the devil you don't," it's something that you say to mean it is better to deal with a person or thing you know, even if you do not like them, than to deal with a new person or thing who could be even worse.
    No one is repealing anything, regardless of what Romney, other republicans and or the pundits say. There might be some tweaking here and there and of course years from now the thing may not look as it does when started (as with SSI ), but make no mistake "Obamacare" is here to stay, period.

    The only thing that may or could happen is someday, somehow, and someway the United States moves towards a single payer system in whole or part.
  13. Visit  FMF Corpsman profile page
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    Quote from mc3
    I worked for a "reputable" home health agency in Florida. I left after two months due to the absolutely wasteful practices and policies. It was disgusting, but I was told "well, we can do it, so we are". It's made me very bitter toward home health agencies overall. More governmental involvement will just make it worse. Done an OASIS, anyone?
    I want the government out of my healthcare.
    mc3
    You are absolutely right; There are indeed Agencies that need to be shutdown. Their practices are corrupt and should leave a bitter taste in the mouth of any nurse, or let me re-word that, ethical human being on the planet. Just because you can get 10 visits for a particular patient, if in fact they don't warrant them, the best practice is to do what is necessary and close the case, not milk it for all it's worth. Practices like those will simply come back to haunt you when it comes time for inspections later. Maybe not right away, but they will catch up to you sometime. Those who run their agencies like that tend to get greedy, and do it more and more often. The worst part about it is that everyone ends up paying the price for it, even those who are doing things the ethically and by the book, and the regs still get tightened and reimbursements still get reduced as a result of a few greedy people.
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