Is health care a "right"

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    Now that the affordable care act is rolling out I wonder if we should revisit this notion. AND (maybe more particularly) if it is a right, is the federal government the best instrument to provide it.
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    Allnurses has had some spirited discussions on this topic. Have you read these threads:

    Jennifer Bergen, Jay Fultz, Sally Kessie, and Angela Osburn (Miami University) wrote:
    Should Healthcare Be Funded As A Basic Human Right?

    Health care a right or privilege

    Healthcare is NOT a basic human right
    loriangel14, herring_RN, Fiona59, and 2 others like this.
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    Thanks NRSKaren... I was certain that there should have been threads but to tell you the truth, I wasn't sure how to search for them. Having said that, we are now rolling out the ACA and the reviews to date have been equivocal. A lot of folks have told us with great assurance that it will be fabulous or alternatively a disaster. The evidence will be coming in over the next several months.

    My sense is that people will procrastinate and then be surprised about the complexity of enrollment. They will probably find out that they have a responsibility to sign up about the time that they file their tax returns and expect their refund. I'm not sure what happens at that point. I just don't think it's going to be embraced by the people.

    And, of course, the ACA was more or less predicated on the belief that the people have a natural right to first rate health care. So... will it be the PROCESS that is screwed up, or the underlying PHILOSOPHY that is simply wrong. (Or is it something else.)
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    I hope our government takes some serious steps for this health care, because these are so much people in our community who can't afford this and living in problem because of this and specially they should give proper facilities and resources to nursing home, nowadays nursing homes are really in bad condition I don't prefer to stay there when i'm sick or having some serious disease.
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    No, not a right in unto itself. Not a right to force others to pay for your health when you don't contribute into the system. Not a right to illegally enter into a health care system and demand their care. Freedom to work and purchase health care--yes, that is a right. Freedom to not want health care--yes, that is a right.
    shermrn, Spidey's mom, Overland1, and 1 other like this.
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    Quote from ArmyMedicRN
    No, not a right in unto itself. Not a right to force others to pay for your health when you don't contribute into the system.
    *** Not sure what you are saying here. So it is a right to force others to pay for your health when you DO contribute?
    What about Medicare? I would venture to say that many who receive it are no longer contributing.
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    The Affordable Care Act is the lesser of two evils.. the biggest evil being the healthcare field as it is. People are complaining that they will have to pay for non-contributors-- which I don't understand at all-- because we are ALL already paying for these people. This act will require people carry insurance, which means everyone will be paying from the rich to the poor. In the long run, I believe it will cost everyone less because people will have preventative health care, and won't be using the ER for the sniffles.
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    Even though we are paying for those people who can't or won't pay for themselves, I still can't consider healthcare a right. The phrase sounds nice, but what it means in practice is that healthcare workers must care for people whether they want to or not, because it's those people's right to have someone provide care for them. (Consider those few bad apples we've all met -- people who demand care but persist in assaulting or verbally abusing their nurses and MDs. Should we as healthcare workers be forced to provide care for someone who makes us feel unsafe, because that person has a right to healthcare?)

    I don't even think that healthcare is a reasonable expectation, if you aren't planning to pay for it -- unless you have a life-threatening, acute injury. That being said, it is a large, complex issue, and there are people who cannot pay and likely never will be able to hold jobs so that they can pay. There are no easy solutions, unfortunately.
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    I think it is in the best interest of public health and national security for everyone to have adequate access to healthcare, and think that the "right vs. privilege" issue is a distractor from that.
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    One very large problem, that will not go away in the foreseeable future, is the fact that everything involved in providing healthcare (diagnostic tests, surgeons, nurses, CNAs, surgical instruments, electricity and clean water) costs money. In some cases it costs a lot of money. Without money coming from somewhere to pay for hospitals, staff, and medical supplies, healthcare cannot exist at all.

    I wish we lived in a world where no one had to worry about not being able to afford surgery or a doctor's visit. I just don't see how universal healthcare can be provided to everyone, including those who don't or cannot contribute money to help pay for it. If expenses are greater than income, the whole system collapses, unless someone discovers a money tree. (And if they do, I want one.)

    Until then, someone's money (and by extension, someone's time and labor) will be conscripted to help pay for someone else's care. Ought the government to compel people to make such a contribution?
    Last edit by Clementia on Jun 13, '13

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