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Old Jun 21, 2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Hushdawg View Post
...and I firmly believe that what is in the best interests of Americans is to ensure that there are sufficient nurses in hospitals to provide healthcare to Americans when they are ill.
I don't care whether they hold a green card or were born in that same hospital.
I just want to know that if my father has a heart attack and is hospitalized that his nurse will not be having to divide time among 50 other patients.
Of course, when one is sick, a competent nurse should be available, it is immaterial the race, the age, the creed, the sex,
of the nurse. States have nurse patient ratios, department of public health and Joint Commission monitor that patients get safe care. I have never seen one nurse with 50 patients, ever in a hospital. Most ratios are between 4-6 patients.


I think this is the crux of the issue, I don't see they need to bring nurses in. Not today in 2009, who knows what the need is 2010 it would be guess. The current national trend is decreased hospital admissions and decreased services.. And you would need a crystal ball to predict what the need will be.

Right now hospitals are downsizing, with some hospitals closing. Health care reform is looming, last time there was a shift in healthcare ( 1980s and 90s) with the birth of HMOs and many many nursing positions were cut. The focus of this reform is to streamline care, in my state where we have had reform with Mandatory Health Care for all nursing positions were cut.

It is more expensive to import foreign nurses, I believe that hospitals will be looking for the least expensive option to recruit nurses.

When the dust settles and their is a vision for National Healthcare, that all Americans who wish to practice nursing have had the option to go to school, and there the vacancy rate is high over 10%. The hospitals should follow the ethical guidelines to allow foreign nurses to come to practice. In my opinion as a practicing nurse who is on the front line, there is no emergency.
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Old Jun 22, 2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexk49 View Post
States have nurse patient ratios, department of public health and Joint Commission monitor that patients get safe care. I have never seen one nurse with 50 patients, ever in a hospital. Most ratios are between 4-6 patients.
True, but when the nursing shortage hits big time then we will see ratios expanding if there are not nurses available to stand in the gap. The States will threaten to fine the hospitals and then, in scrambling, the hospitals will grab any nurse they can to fill the void instead of doing careful recruiting like they have the comfort to do RIGHT NOW.

Originally Posted by Alexk49 View Post
I think this is the crux of the issue, I don't see they need to bring nurses in. Not today in 2009, who knows what the need is 2010 it would be guess. The current national trend is decreased hospital admissions and decreased services.. And you would need a crystal ball to predict what the need will be.

....
In my opinion as a practicing nurse who is on the front line, there is no emergency.
You are talking from opinions while others are talking from facts.

The FACTS are that a shortage is looming, big time.

Nobody said that there is a massive shortage RIGHT NOW.
The whole issue has been that the shortage is coming and that US nursing schools cannot in any way meet the demands that will be placed. THAT is what the bill is about. If the shortage is already here then it is too late to do anything about it but survive. For ONCE in this world can we do some preventative measures instead of rushing around to do repair jobs all the time?

This bill is about preparing for a massive nursing shortage that hospital administration KNOWS is coming.

The recession has pushed the date back about a year and a half because people are not taking early retirement, are delaying retirement and some nurses have returned to the profession after spouses have lost their jobs.
These are FACTS, not OPINIONS.

You don't need a crystal ball to see that within 5 years more than 50% of the currently employed nurses MUST retire and that the nursing schools in the USA are completely incapable of filling that many positions in that amount of time even if they ramped up admissions TODAY by an additional 35-40% (basically taking in EVERYONE that is out of work and trying to convert them to nurses).
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No. 162
Old Jun 22, 2009, 05:40 PM

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I agree that the perfect scenario would be to allow all qualified US citizens into nursing school and then do an evaluation of the work force. It would be perfect to hire foreign nurses before the shortage to allow for a transition. But the reality every FTE is being evaluated and jobs are being cut.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...619_970033.htm
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