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I would like your input and opinions. What do you think about membership in the ANA? Advantages? Disadvantages?:confused:... Read More

  1. by   Mijourney
    Hi Igcv. Is Virginia a right to work and at will state? That may partially explain the behavior of the VNA leadership. As always money rules the day.
  2. by   Mijourney
    Hi Igcv. Is Virginia a right to work and at will state? That may partially explain the behavior of the VNA.
  3. by   lgcv
    Yes it is a right to work state. The Virginia Nurses Association does not have a union arm. But, I still felt they had an obligation to support the nurses of the state.
  4. by   Groovydogg
    If I may add my two cents. I support a lot if not all of what the ANA purports to stand for. But I in no way support them. I am from New York and resent the fact that they supported the woman from Arkansas during the Senate race. It is blatantly obvious that they supported her because she is woman. She has absolutely no record/experience/qulification that makes her worthy of the position she now fills. In fact, her record is suspect at best, also Mrs. Clintons spouse is an admitted liar and an admitted ubstructor of justice.
    Mr. Lazio has a long and positive history of serving his constituency and Mr. Lazios spouse is a nurse practitioner.
    The ANA opted to pick a political party based on gender instead of merit. They didn't research the choices enough and therefore did a grave disservice to all of NY as well as all the RN's who reside here. As President Clinton said "it's a package deal...you get the spouse as well" I voted for the proven record, I voted for the nurse practitioner.
    I contacted the ANA during the race and asked for an explaination, all I got was vague references to her "record" and never one example.
  5. by   RNPD
    "Mrs. Clintons spouse is an admitted liar and an admitted ubstructor of justice. Mr. Lazio has a long and positive history of serving his constituency and Mr. Lazios spouse is a nurse practitioner."

    "I voted for the proven record, I voted for the nurse practitioner."


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    So let me get this straight. NYSNA shouldn't have supported Hillary Clinton because of her spouse, but should have supported Rick Lazio because of HIS spouse?? And BTW, the NP wasn't running; that was her husband.

    Also the ANA had nothing to do with the NY Senate race. It was the NYSNA, a local organization, who supported Hillary, not the ANA, which is a national organization. NYSNA gave their support to Hillary after she was very supportive of the striking Nyack nurses and promised to work toward bettering healthcare in NY.

    Also it is amazing to me that so many people resent the fact that a woman from Arkansas can be a Senator from NY. Are you so naive as to think that every local elected official in this country was born & raised within their constituency and plans to live there for life? For God's sake, even a Miss America candidate, doesn't have to be born in the state she represents!! Check out how many congressman, senators, governors, mayors, etc, were born in the district in which they serve. This is the USA and as long as the residency requirements are met, anyone can run for elected office. If you think this is wrong, then I suggest you work toward a referendum to change it, not hold it against someone who followed the rules and got elected fairly.

    Finally, Rick Lazio shot himself in the foot-or should I say mouth. I had no intention of voting for Hillary until I heard what a nasty, petty, vindictive campaign Lazio ran. Hillary got my vote then & there and I for one, think she's doing a good job. And if you care to go by opinion polls, so do the majority of New Yorkers.

    It seems strange to me to condemn a national nursing organization because 1/50th of its membership endorsed a senate candidate you disapproved of. And because of the candidate's husband yet! Maybe we need to judge people and organizations a little more broadly; what do you say?
  6. by   -jt
    <The ANA opted to pick a political party based on gender instead of merit.>


    The ANA does not get involved in state business. Its job is in Washington DC on Captiol Hill. It continually surprises me how many people complain about something going on in their state & blame the ANA for that. The state association is independent on the issues in their own state. The ANA has nothing to do with them. The members of the state association make the decisions for what is going on in nursing in your state. (All the more reason for staff nurses to be a member of it).

    Since Hillary Clinton was running for STATE senator from NY, it was the NYSNA, not the ANA that supported her. And the way that happens is the membership of each region in the state makes their preferences known through several state-wide polls throughout the process and opportunities to submit their comments on the candidates. That is all taken back to the NYSNA members on the political action committee (PAC) who are then entrusted with the responsibility of reviewing the candidates thoroughly, evaluating them and their policies, and making a recommendation to the NYSNA Board of Directors based on the members needs and input and the candidates record or potential. When the candidates are equal, according to our bylaws which were set by the members of our association, consideration is to be given to supporting the under- represented candidate in elected office - women, RNs, minorities ([urlhttp://www.nysna.org/PROGRAMS/LEG/PAC.HTM[/url])

    NYSNA officials do not choose who to endorse - the membership does. Hillary Clinton was endorsed by NYSNA members (not by the ANA) because of her willingness to get involved with staff nurses issues - including her help with the Nyack strike, her pro-nurse policies & willingness to support nursing and NYSNA legislation. So far she has done well on that front - from her strong participation on the Senate Hearing Panel convened to hear nurse testimonies regarding the causes and solutions of the bedside nurse shortage to her recent support of & introduction to Congress of the federal Nurse Retention & Quality Care Act which were written by NYSNA nurses, as well as her sponsorship of several other legislative bills now in Congress that address the nursing shortage.

    NYSNA supports candidates across all party lines. There is a specfic criteria that is followed by the PAC before an endorsement is made and one of them is to put into office the candidate who will best & most strongly represent & support our interests, whichever party he may belong to.

    Believe me, I have no love for the woman either and viewed her as carpet-bagger - and I dont like the idea that she voted to give Congress a raise this year while Chuck Schumer felt it inappropriate considering what has happened here and rightfully voted no, but both Lazio & Clinton were equally examined and although his wife may be an NP, Rick was not willing to come up to the bar for staff nurses as Hillary was willing to do..... and has done.

    And when you get right down to it, the whole point of endorsing a particular candidate is to have someone in office who will work for your interests.


    PS
    RFK, who many NYers believe was the greatest Senator we ever had, was from Massachusetts & moved to NY to fulfill the residency requirement just so he could run for that office.
    Last edit by -jt on Jan 4, '02
  7. by   wildtime88
    Well, well, this kind of goes back to my questions at the beginning of this tread.

    1. First of all, isn't the New York State Nurses Association a charter member of the ANA?

    2. Does the ANA follow the same procedures at the national level.

    3. At what level does the ANA participate in federal government when it comes to endorsements or monetary support?

    4. Does the ANA in any way reflect or lend its help to a charter organization when it comes to candidacy endorsement?

    5. If yes, then in what forms?

    5. Who ultimately decides who receives the endorsement?

    <<And the way that happens is the membership of each region in the state makes their preferences known through several state-wide polls throughout the process and opportunities to submit their comments on the candidates. That is all taken back to the NYSNA members on the political action committee (PAC) who are then entrusted with the responsibility of reviewing the candidates thoroughly, evaluating them and their policies, and making a recommendation to the NYSNA Board of Directors based on the members needs and input and the candidates record or potential. When the candidates are equal, according to our bylaws which were set by the members of our association, consideration is to be given to supporting the under- represented candidate in elected office - women, RNs, minorities ([urlhttp://www.nysna.org/PROGRAMS/LEG/PAC.HTM[/url])

    NYSNA officials do not choose who to endorse - the membership does.

    There is a specfic criteria that is followed by the PAC before an endorsement is made and one of them is to put into office the candidate who will best & most strongly represent & support our interests, whichever party he may belong to. >>


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    December, sorry I just saw your last post.

    you can find some data on this, but this is more than just data.

    This is something that you have to use thought process about. You have to use past history and legislation and its results. You have to study the legislation and see how it can actually be used. You have to beaware that there is someone looking over it to see just how they will also benefit from it as well as benefit the most. You have to consider future opostition or lack of to plan what you intend to do. You have to also understand what or who is the prime target of the legislation.

    With the recruitment legislation who do you think is the prime target?

    What number do you come up with?

    How many do you think would jump at a chance for an all expense paid education plus money on the side and also pay for child care?

    How many old diplomia schools do you think can be reopened in 2 years time?

    How many nurses can you educate and train with the bugeted amount per year?
    Last edit by wildtime88 on Jan 4, '02
  8. by   -jt
    <Who ultimately decides who receives the endorsement?>

    I just told you - we members decide. Just as the members decide everything that goes on in that organization. I think youre just having a hard time believing it, but if you are not an involved member of your state's professional association - other nurses are making the decisions for all nurses in your state without you and you have to live by what they decide.

    The procedures for my state association's polictical activity are outlined at the website which I posted the link for. The members of the state association make the decisions on state matters. The ANA does not get involved - other than the fact that we are all also ANA members. But our ANA work is in DC and even there, the democratic procedures are the same. The MEMBERS from all across the country make the decisions at the national level.

    The ANA has a governmental affairs webpage where you are free to look up anything you want to know about our procedures.

    And you know youre always welcome to come to the annual working convention in June, this year in Philadelphia, & observe for yourself what we do.
  9. by   -jt
    <<With the recruitment legislation who do you think is the prime target?>>

    High school students obviously. And groups that are under-represented in the profession - MEN, Latinos/Latinas, African-Americans, and others but it does not exclude those who are already part of the majority make up of the profession.


    <<How many do you think would jump at a chance for an all expense paid education plus money on the side and also pay for child care?>>


    So would I. Who wouldnt? So what are you insinuating?
  10. by   wildtime88
    Also the legislation specifically states:

    "carry out special projects to increase nursing education opportunities for individuals who are from disadvantaged backgrounds (including economically disadvantaged backgrounds and racial and ethnic minorities underrepresented among registered nurses)"

    "PREFERENCE- In awarding scholarships under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to applicants with the greatest financial need, and applicants who agree to serve in health facilities experiencing nursing shortages in medically underserved areas."



    I am not insinuating anything. I was responding to December's previous request. Thanks JT, for helping out.
  11. by   donmurray
    So they don't want to pay rich people to train to work in plastic surgery in Beverly hills. Seems logical.
  12. by   -jt
    "carry out special projects to increase nursing education opportunities for individuals who are from disadvantaged backgrounds (including economically disadvantaged backgrounds and racial and ethnic minorities underrepresented among registered nurses)"

    "PREFERENCE- In awarding scholarships under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to applicants with the greatest financial need, and applicants who agree to serve in health facilities experiencing nursing shortages in medically underserved areas."


    And sooooo?? Your point is???

    I see nothing wrong with the above quotes. Nothing wrong with helping people who want to be nurses, but dont have the funds for their education & may otherwise not be able to realize their dream. You would stop them from doing so because the ones who can least afford it may rightfully be helped the most, and because you think thats not fair? In other threads, you have made some very derogatory remarks about people who are not as fortunate as you, ie: several low comments about welfare lines and food stamps. Youre showing youre true colors more & more.


    Donmurray, I totally agree.
  13. by   wildtime88
    "In other threads, you have made some very derogatory remarks about people who are not as fortunate as you, ie: several low comments about welfare lines and food stamps."


    No, I did not, but of course you would want others to believe that. You find those posts and post them. If you do I will leave this bulletin board and appolgize.


    And I was just answering a question which December asked to me.


    december
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    Originally posted by wildtime88
    nightngale1998


    So you pay to join an organization that is pushing for legislation to flood the market with replacement nurses and take away the nursing shortage.


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    Wildtime88, Could you please back up the above statement with some data? "Flooding the market" and "taking away the nursing shortage" are not the conclusions I'd have come away with, with the information I have about the nursing shortage and the importation of new nurses. I'd like to compare it with your information. Thanks for any replies.
    Last edit by wildtime88 on Jan 7, '02

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