Venting about BON involvement in DUI - page 2

by Nursing NCO 13,804 Views | 63 Comments

:banghead:I am writing this because I am irritated that in the nursing field if you receive a DUI during your off duty time it can (and usually will) seriously affect your career. I have a colleague who has been nursing for over... Read More


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    With all of the ads about drinking and driving it's pretty tough to say "I didn't know..."

    Anytime anyone drives while under the influence of a mood altering chemical, whether it's alcohol, prescription medications (opioids, sedatives, tranquilizers, muscle relaxants, etc.), or illegal drugs (marijuana, cocaine/crack, amphetamines/methamphetamines, heroin, etc.) it's a sign of poor judgment. Not the type of judgment I want to see in a health care professional caring for me or my loved ones. Anyone who has more than one DUI has a serious problem with substance abuse or chemical dependence and should be referred or court ordered to treatment.

    It always makes me laugh when I hear the "what you do in your private life shouldn't affect your license" argument. When the things you do in your personal life are illegal or show poor judgment, the licensing agency has a duty to investigate. Their job is to protect the public from professionals who are unsafe. A professional who dirves under the influence is declaring loud and clear "I make poor decisions regarding controlled substances and the welfare of others" (not to mention their own welfare).

    Chemical dependence is a disease that alters the brain which alters perception, learning, and decision making. Active alcoholics/addicts are incapable of seeing they have the disease...it's called pathological denial. There are very few truly recovering individuals who would agree with the argument that a DUI should be ignored by the licensing boards. We've been there and know exactly how out of control we were before we entered treatment, and we don't want to see others go through the same living hell we've been through. While we aren't responsible for having the disease of dependence, we all accept full responsibility for our recovery.

    Prayers for your friend.
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    I so totally agree with you.

    I think it is ridiculous that the BON should even have access to that information. Any please no moral or stereotyping stating "anyone who gets a DUI is an alcoholic and needs treatment." I know people who have gotten DUI's that are NOT alcoholics...

    There are so many time in Nursing that we are treated differently than any other career and the sad thing is the compensation in dollars isn't there...we should make three times what we make with all that is expected of us and all the risks we take on a daily basis!

    I so wish we had a union or all the RN's would come together and stage a walk out....hospitals would stop dead in their tracks without us but refuse to pay us what we are worth and often treat us like we are factory workers or work at the local BK or McDonalds...it is disgusting!!

    Sorry for the rant!
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    Quote from lolalolacherrycola
    I so totally agree with you.

    I think it is ridiculous that the BON should even have access to that information. Any please no moral or stereotyping stating "anyone who gets a DUI is an alcoholic and needs treatment." I know people who have gotten DUI's that are NOT alcoholics...

    There are so many time in Nursing that we are treated differently than any other career and the sad thing is the compensation in dollars isn't there...we should make three times what we make with all that is expected of us and all the risks we take on a daily basis!

    I so wish we had a union or all the RN's would come together and stage a walk out....hospitals would stop dead in their tracks without us but refuse to pay us what we are worth and often treat us like we are factory workers or work at the local BK or McDonalds...it is disgusting!!

    Sorry for the rant!
    I agree that there is a lack of respect for the profession. Unfortunately people treat us the way we teach them to treat us. If someone doesn't respect me as a person or a professional, the first place I need to look is at myself. The biggest lack of respect for the profession comes from nurses in the profession. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a nurse say, "...I'm JUST the nurse." If that's the way a nurse sees themselves and their own profession, why would someone else see them any differently. I'm not saying all nurses are like this, but entirely too many show up, do enough to get by and get that paycheck. Having a union wouldn't change things. Respiratory Therapists, Physical Therapists, and other health care professionals don't seem to have this problem.

    I know this won't be a popular view...it's just my
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    Drinking and driving is against the law. Period. If you are a professional, licensed by the state (includes nurses, teachers, police, fire personnel), then you suffer the consequences. Period.
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    Quote from jackstem
    I agree that there is a lack of respect for the profession. Unfortunately people treat us the way we teach them to treat us. If someone doesn't respect me as a person or a professional, the first place I need to look is at myself. The biggest lack of respect for the profession comes from nurses in the profession. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a nurse say, "...I'm JUST the nurse." If that's the way a nurse sees themselves and their own profession, why would someone else see them any differently. I'm not saying all nurses are like this, but entirely too many show up, do enough to get by and get that paycheck. Having a union wouldn't change things. Respiratory Therapists, Physical Therapists, and other health care professionals don't seem to have this problem.

    I know this won't be a popular view...it's just my

    There is definitely some truth to what you say, however I still believe in what I say and the fact that nursing is predominately a female field at this point has something to do with it. Thanks much for you input.
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    It is also our responsibility to make sure that we do not drive while to sick, or to tired. We have an obligation to keep ourselves and others safe.
    It is true that we should be paid way more for what we do. And that we should all be working together to make our voices heard and nursing better for everyone. But until we can start to show compassion, pride and interest in each other it ain't gonna happen. And I'm not holding my breath.
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    A few interesting tidbits:

    According to the website "DUI Foundation" (http://www.duifoundation.org/):

    On average, the first time drunk driving offender has driven drunk 87 times prior to being arrested.
    According to Rebekka S. Palmer, Ph.D., Yale University School of Medicine, and Mary E. Larimer, Ph.D.,University of Washington: in a press release on March 26, 2007:


    Most first-time offenders for driving while intoxicated need help for more than just alcohol

    • Driving while intoxicated (DWI) is a significant public-health problem in the US.
    • New findings indicate that many first-time DWI offenders also have high rates of other substance-use disorders as well as other psychiatric disorders.
    • Intervention programs may need to provide enhanced services to help this more severe subtype of DWI offenders.
    Also in that press release:
    "We found that 42 percent of first-time DUI offenders reported a lifetime history of drug abuse or dependence," Palmer said in a news release. "Marijuana abuse or dependence was the most prevalent, followed by hallucinogen abuse or dependence, and then cocaine abuse or dependence. Approximately 30 percent of the participants also indicated a lifetime history of anxiety or mood disorder. Social phobia was the most frequent anxiety diagnosis, and major depression was the most common mood disorder."
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    Drinking and driving says EVERYTHING about your judgment which, fortunately, is a BON issue...

    Don't drink and drive. It's simple.

    ETA:

    A DUI offender might not be an 'addict' but they are certainly a scourge on our society and a few other choice words I'll refrain from posting.
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    I have learned the hard way, perfection is the only color we can wear.
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    yes, after joining a peer group, not easy though.


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