Is my drug addiction really that much worse than her alcoholism? - page 2

This morning I noticed something, and it didn't really upset me, it just confirmed what I've been told over and over.. and what I thought I've seen in the past. I was skimming through the posts... Read More

  1. Visit  jackstem profile page
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    Quote from SuesquatchRN
    So now addicts are better than drunks? Kettle, pot.
    Nope...just an observation.
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  3. Visit  SuesquatchRN profile page
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    Quote from jackstem
    Nope...just an observation.
    Disingenuous, Jack.
  4. Visit  jackstem profile page
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    Disingenuous, Jack.
    And now you read minds? It is an honest observation.
  5. Visit  SuesquatchRN profile page
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    http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-35_...anAlcohol1.pdf

    As usual, Bill W. says it better than I can.

    I'm out of this. It's clear, now, that this thread was started to complain about alcoholics, not have a dispassionate exchange.
  6. Visit  2BSure profile page
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    SO, you're saying that a person educated in addiction/recovery will still see alcoholism as 'better than drug addiction'?
    Really that is not what I said so please do not put it in quotations.

    As for non-alcoholics going to AA meetings I never experienced this until I came to this country. But NA was extremely strong in England. I am a bit of an AA purest in that I do not believe that AA can help someone who is not an alcoholic. Also, this insistence in going to AA meetings rather than NA (or CA or whatever) harms other fellowships who need the support of clean people to attend, sponsor and participate in their 7th tradition.

    Now if you come to an AA meeting because you can't get to another 12 step meeting by all means do so -- but why would someone insist on introducing themselves as an "addict" and maybe even proceed to speak about their opiate problem in front of a bunch of alcoholics? It is a little disrespectful to others in the meeting. I no more want to hear about heroin or any other craving than I want to hear about how some sex addict (who popped into AA because it was closer, we were older or stronger in our program) has a toe fetish that was triggered by my wearing sandals....to an AA meeting. Sheesh!

    I confess I find it funny to be essentially called a snob. A snobbish alcoholic is a bit of a contradiction but a funny one.

    When there was no AA meeting where I lived in England I started one. I sat there every Saturday night for a couple of months and just read the Big Book on my own. Eventually someone came, then another and so on. We grew to about a dozen.
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  7. Visit  Magsulfate profile page
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    It's ironic that my OP just keeps getting confirmed by the responses that I"m getting.

    I am just sitting here smiling, shaking my head.

    Jack, as I sit here and think a little more about the criminal aspect, you are right. I'm not sure I did anything criminal until after I was addicted. I don't know the statistics, but one definitely cannot say that there is not a criminal aspect to alcoholism. There is, in both, they are alike - just like I said in the OP. I like the way you explain the scientific findings of an addict/alcoholic.

    I just wish that the sentiment was a little kinder to me when I was reaching out. I admit, there was a slight setback early during my recover until I realized I would have to do the 12 steps on my own. It worked out pretty good, and thank God for online resources or I would have just been sitting at home wallowing in my misery and thinking it was my own fault they didn't want me there. Thankfully I realized early on that it wasn't.

    I'm not sure that there is anything that can be done besides education of the general public. Even then it doesn't really matter. What is it all for? I don't know,, so I just keep trying. Right now it is my turn to try and help the recovering nurse. I have never differentiated the nurses by the substances they are recovering from, and I honestly believe that each one of them are in the same boat and need help none the less.
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  8. Visit  Miss Mab profile page
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    I think your prior negative experiences are overly influencing your read of these boards.JMO

    I read your OP and immediately had a reaction as why this 'thanks' thing might be happening.
    AA meetings and 'culture' in general seem to do a lot more of the 'thank you' for sharing, 'thank you' for your service, etc., from my perspective, much more than NA and likely any of the other "A" groups. I know it's a common theme among all but just seems adherence to the particular phrasing is more 'entrenched' within AA than others. Some might actually view this as bad.
    It just is....
  9. Visit  Rascal1 profile page
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    There are too many generalizations here. Magsulfate, you may have gotten or get that impression (from real comments or not) from the meetings you attend,but all meetings,made up of different people, are simply not the same. I learned that the oh...so hard way when in the beginning of my recovery(the first time) I attended the same AA's meetings and thought they were all cult members ! Yes, the sick mind of the newly recovering. I can't quite articulate what i'm trying to say here. Could It just be a form of xenophobia on their part ? I recently had a horrible experience at a new job,where I felt no warmth or very little welcoming from the staff even though I was personable and friendly. Was I invading their territory ? Who knows....? Maybe they felt uncomfortable because the thought of "being new" brought up bad/unpleasant images for them ?
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  10. Visit  exnursie profile page
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    Quote from su
    [quote=suesquatchrn;3641297
    so now addicts are better than drunks? kettle, pot.
    suesquatchrn,

    jack never said that addicts were "better" than drunks.

    in na, the belief is that alcohol is included in the definition of addiction and this is why no alkie will ever be turned away, rejected, humiliated , ignored, unwelcomed or any other negative responses that addicts have received from some aa people.



    http://www.12step.org/references/na-...chapter-4.html


    "
    the only way to keep from returning to active addiction is not to take that first drug. if you are like us you know that one is too many and a thousand never enough. we put great emphasis on this, for we know that when we use drugs in any form, or substitute one for another, we release our addiction all over again.
    thinking of alcohol as different from other drugs has caused a great many addicts to relapse. before we came to n.a., many of us viewed alcohol separately, but we cannot afford to be confused about this. alcohol is a drug. we are people with the disease of addiction who must abstain from all drugs in order to recover. "
  11. Visit  SuesquatchRN profile page
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    [quote=exnursie;3642311]
    Quote from su


    suesquatchrn,

    jack never said that addicts were "better" than drunks.

    in na, the belief is that alcohol is included in the definition of addiction and this is why no alkie will ever be turned away, rejected, humiliated , ignored, unwelcomed or any other negative responses that addicts have received from some aa people.



    [url="http://www.12step.org/references/na-basic-text/na-chapter-4.html"
    http://www.12step.org/references/na-basic-text/na-chapter-4.html[/url]


    "
    the only way to keep from returning to active addiction is not to take that first drug. if you are like us you know that one is too many and a thousand never enough. we put great emphasis on this, for we know that when we use drugs in any form, or substitute one for another, we release our addiction all over again.
    thinking of alcohol as different from other drugs has caused a great many addicts to relapse. before we came to n.a., many of us viewed alcohol separately, but we cannot afford to be confused about this. alcohol is a drug. we are people with the disease of addiction who must abstain from all drugs in order to recover. "
    nursie, what is the point of your post?

    frankly, the non-alcoholics in this thread have been quite rude to those few of us who have responded. this post was, as well.
  12. Visit  libnat profile page
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    You're being overly sensative.......
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  13. Visit  exnursie profile page
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    Quote from SuesquatchRN
    So now addicts are better than drunks? Kettle, pot.
    [quote=SuesquatchRN;3642356]
    Quote from exnursie

    Nursie, what is the point of your post?

    Frankly, the non-alcoholics in this thread have been quite rude to those few of us who have responded. This post was, as well.
    You accused jack of saying addicts were "better" than alkies, when he said that he has never seen similar behavior towards alkies in NA meetings that we all have witnessed happen in AA towards addicts. You called him disingenous and calling the kettle black also.

    You also previosuly said about NA:"I will not, however, see you at those meetings. I would be an intruder, and there under false pretense. Nor could I add much to the group's collective experience, strength and hope, not having recovered from the same thing you did."

    MY INTENTION was to educate you in this matter. I was hoping that Your belief that your battle with the bottle holds nothing that would help people in NA was based on lack of knowledge of NA, and not due to bias.
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  14. Visit  Bellarubia18 profile page
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    I believe it's just because alcohol abuse is legal.
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