13 states with same CA BON concurrency issues

steppybay · Sep 16, 2012

Hey steppybay, Yeah i'm still here. I haven't been active lately. I'm trying to focus on reviewing. I figured that if I do get an ATT i'll be ready. Can't risk taking the NCLEX and failing and have my cases being reviewed. If it can happen in Ca it can happen almost anywhere these days.
Yeah our theory is coming true.. It'll be much harder by 2013 March onwards with the incoming 2013 grads. States with over populated nurses and applicants will soon follow the concurrency issue. Jeez now Florida is in this. I'm not surprised though. Just another prediction; Hawaii, New York, and Nevada may be the next in line.
People still applying in California and won't listen. This state is too overrated. I agree with you when you said, if international graduates do meet the concurrency issue, California will look for new ways just to limit applicants. For instance "you lack hours" "method of teaching does not meet US standards" "lack of certain subjects" "Grades are not satisfactory"
We're facing rough times and we're in a long road of recovery. 2020. Too long. It may even come to a point where all the states require all international graduates to go back to school.

Yep, I agree with you, I have told several friends and their friends (batch 2011 and 2012, different schools) that applied into CA are not listening and telling them it's a waste of time and money, so just this weekend, 9 of them all got their rejection letters, one who months ago said that she will have NO problems at all, she was told that her school did meet 100% of the CA BON issues. She got her answer this Saturday in the mail, denied. Well, nothing we can do and let them try with the understanding don't hold your breath and prepare to still take the NCLEX just not in CA (or the other affected States).

I mentioned earlier about the "lack of hours" you so said and that the CHED has increased some classes to have a new 350 plus hours, but I think it's in the wrong courses as they are already some students reporting they are getting denied due to "excessive hours", meaning they (the PH nursing agencies) are allocating the wrong hours in the wrong classes. The State's BONs are not stupid, but I can tell you who is responsible for not understanding the minimum educational requirements of the USA. PH agencies STOP fooling with the students! Get your XXXX together!

steppybay · Sep 20, 2012

We know that NV is also enforcing the concurrency rules as someone just got their rejection letter and posted in the forum. However, I think it may depend on your school's transcript and whether or not you did complete them with success.

I'm reminded of another PH grad who was denied her ATT in CA this year, but recently got her ATT in NV, passed the NCLEX and just got a job as nurse in NV, happy days for her :yes: You guys can read her threads by clicking on her name. I hope you don't mind, starleviosa, lol.

So it may be that while NV is now on the concurrency list and depends on your school's records, it is possible to become a USRN. :woot:

Kuyafern · Sep 20, 2012

Yeah. I believe Nevada is safe, if minimum hours are met, and if there are no mistakes in your CES report.

But what's intriguing is how can the Nevada State imply that an applicant has non concurrent cases if they only used CGFNS and Nevada didn't evaluate their cases. is it possible that they may have gotten that information from Ca since California evaluates cases. I was warned once by a friend, luckily passed his NCLEX in Ca 2010 and now an RN in CA and in AK, that California may use your papers against you in the future and advised me not to apply in California. Is this what he meant? It's a possibility, tho to think it's scary how concurrency issues are progressing along the states.

In this thread https://allnurses.com/nurse-registration/bon-denied-my-772935.html#post6835033 Ambinjan posted her letter from Nevada BON.

I'm still waiting for CGFNS to receive my transcripts. Taking forever!! I know my cases are not concurrent with my theory and it would be pretty weird/scary if they knew that without having my cases evaluated, let alone i never even passed my req's to Ca. Only time will tell.

We know that NV is also enforcing the concurrency rules as someone just got their rejection letter and posted in the forum. However, I think it may depend on your school's transcript and whether or not you did complete them with success.
I'm reminded of another PH grad who was denied her ATT in CA this year, but recently got her ATT in NV, passed the NCLEX and just got a job as nurse in NV, happy days for her You guys can read her threads by clicking on her name. I hope you don't mind, starleviosa, lol.
So it may be that while NV is now on the concurrency list and depends on your school's records, it is possible to become a USRN.

lucus_clyne · Sep 24, 2012

hi, one of my friends called new york and new jersey Board of Nursing just last week for inquiries about their requirements then unfortunately, they started to add the requirements that the california and the other 12 states have... (just sharing) so that means there are 15 states that have the same concurrency issues...

Kuyafern · Sep 24, 2012

2 down. Just as predicted. Darn.

poala0413 · Sep 24, 2012

Right!! We were just talking about it fern;(( idk where to go now;/

tintinatinapot · Sep 24, 2012

hi, one of my friends called new york and new jersey Board of Nursing just last week for inquiries about their requirements then unfortunately, they started to add the requirements that the california and the other 12 states have... (just sharing) so that means there are 15 states that have the same concurrency issues...

whew! WOW. :no: :no:

steppybay · Sep 24, 2012

16 now, if NY and NJ are truly going to enforce the same concurrency rules, as NV just started also, as based on another poster's love letter received in Aug. 2012.

I think the next couple of States will soon be FL and TX, those are the most other popular States to work in for USA educated nurses.

I know others are thinking it's a way for the US to downgrade the international students and nurses, but guys, the reality and the long and short of it, there was ALWAYS the concurrency requirements for decades, it's NOTHING new at all. Looking at the above documented letter, it's been in NV since 1952! The year some of our parents were born!

In CA, it's been there since 1987, the year maybe many of us were born!

The bottom line is NOT a conspiracy theory by any of the States against the international students or nurses, if anything it IS the CONSPIRACY of our own CHED, PRC and PNA that truly undermined the thousands upon thousands of us PH students!

The true conspiracy is that the CHED and others took advantage of the "nursing shortage" situation and made it a HUGH money maker for their own personal need of power and the greedy wants to line their pocketbooks with us PH want to be nurses.

In fact, we should be glad and happy that the USA did allow the previous international nurses to work in the States, even knowing of the concurrency rules or else guys, guess what? There would have been NO Phils nurses in the States at all, that's the reality.

The fact the States are now enforcing the rules only means the CHED, PRC and PNA didn't think it would come to this and look at the recent results today. The CHED are rushing to to make the adjustments as soon as possible so they can meet the minimum requirements.

But now, what's going to happen is that with the flood of USA educated nurses and students being educated yearly, it will drastically drop the hiring rate and process if they see your education was from outside the States, as more and more USA hospitals are hiring local students, students who worked and did their clinicals in their hospitals or to hire "preferably" if their degree is from a US based college.

Oh, there will be possible jobs for us PH nurses, but not in the hospital settings that me and many of my friends and probably speaking for many younger nurses. Those jobs are being a personal care taker or giver, home health provider, nursing homes, LTC and SNF, please don't take offense guys, if that's your cup of tea and not knocking them jobs down, they are places that do need those type of workers but it's NOT mine nor or my many PH friends.

I would like to work in the Pediatrics unit, many friends want to work in the ER, ICU, Onology, L&D, Step-Down units, flight nursing, NICU, PICU and other many many nursing specialities avail to all.

Ok, off my soapbox again!

handsomenurse2012 · Sep 27, 2012

does nevada state having an issue on concurrency too right now? men. im planning to take the exam in there..

Kuyafern · Sep 27, 2012

Nevada did start to reject applicants due to concurrency and lack of hours in certain subjects. It would depend on the course by course evaluation of CGFNS. Lately there have been 2 filipino applicants succesfull in getting an ATT in Nevada despite having concurrency problems. Previously other applicants were denied because their course by course evaluation stated that they lacked hours in physical assessment subject. It seems CGFNS does make mistakes too. So if you plan on applying and you have your CES report make sure they are correct.

If there is a mistake, it is adviced that you creat a hand written letter to CGFNS stating that they have made an error concerning the number of hours and the specific subjects. I don't think they accept emails or typed letters. I'll let you know what happens to my application in Nevada.

does nevada state having an issue on concurrency too right now? men. im planning to take the exam in there..

mikimoto · Oct 5, 2012

Let's hope the nursing schools stop using inexperienced students to teach the clinicals, some of whom I knew were just recent grads themselves.
They need to limit the amount of incoming nursing students as it's mentioned here in a couple of published articles, there are over producing nurses in a global world that is not hiring like years before.

I agree on the latter statement.

Philippine schools hiring "inexperienced students to teach the clinicals, some of whom I knew were just recent grads themselves" - You can only speak for your own scholastic experience. You must have graduated from a mushroom school in the Philippines, then. I'm sorry.

This is not the norm in the Philippine education, though.

I hope that (your) the school you mentioned was one of those that were shut down by CHED.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Oct 5, 2012

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