Will you get a job not matter what school you received NP degree? - page 2
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Hi all, I'm currently applying to some NP programs. I've completed Georgia State's and Walden University's application already. GA State required the MAT (which I did not do as well on) and Walden did not require any testing. ... Read More
- 6Feb 14, '13 by elkparkQuote from mylojoRNMaybe "most" schools do, but my school didn't, and I wouldn't have considered attending a school that did. If people in nursing weren't so willing to put with this, schools wouldn't be able to get away with it.Contrary to popular belief, most schools both brick and mortar as well as online are requiring students to find their own clinicals and preceptors.
IMO, this is another factor hurting nursing's image in academia and healthcare. Can you imagine a medical school, dental school, physical therapy program, law school, etc., that expected students to find their own clinical/practical experiences?
- 3Feb 14, '13 by juan de la cruz, MSN, RN, NP GuideI personally haven't seen it as a "hospital" issue. Just as an observation on my part, it seems like it's the FNP and ANP programs that are having a hard time placing students in primary care based practices in the community. I attended a classroom based ACNP program in Detroit that places its students for clinical rotations based on the students' stated areas of interest in the acute care fields. However, even if that wasn't the case, there were so many practicing ACNP grads from the same program in the area that finding preceptors on our own would not have been difficult.
Here in Northern California, there is only one ACNP program while there are numerous other FNP programs in different schools. The university I work for places students and have a large network of primary care and acute care NP-friendly practices so it's never a problem but the other programs around are mostly FNP and make their students find their own preceptors. I think the issue is the relative ease in starting an NP program without having to prove that the school can provide the appropriate clinical education that the provider role requires. I blame the regulatory process involved in a non-stringent school accreditation process.
- 1Feb 14, '13 by mylojoRNIts funny reading some of the post that state they would choose a candidate that has gone to a well known campus-based program over a candidate that has gone through a online unknown program. My question is why not choose the best candidate for the position? Just because someone went to a "well known, campus-based program" does not make them the best candidate. Matter of fact,don't we all take the exact same certification exam. I am not aware of an ANCC exam for candidates that have attended "well known, campus-based" universities. Another question I have is, if we are getting clinicals at well known, level 1 trauma hospitals, why does it matter that the theory portion of the program was taken online, at an 'unknown university? In my experience, the only place it matters is online in these types of forums. I respect everyone's opinions, however, if I can obtain the EXACT same degree and certifications for a lot less money that is the route I will always choose! Which is why my total loans thus far is 50,000 for both my BSN and MSN. My ADN was paid out of pocket. I am being precepted at U of M hospital, and already have a position waiting for me. This is due to my past nursing experience, not the school I am attending. I have a pretty good feeling that if I choose to move, the fact that I have worked at U of M for 10 years as a RN and however many years I will stay after obtaining my FNP, will open a lot of doors for me nationwide. So, I would suggest instead of making generalizations on who be hired and who will not be hired based on the program attended, provide potential students with the correct information which is there are many factors that contribute to being hired. The school, program alone is not the only factor that is considered. Once again, I will be refraining from reading these forums due to professionals giving biased OPINIONS instead of Evidence based facts. With that....go ahead and continue eating your young instead of encouraging and assisting them into the profession.
- 3Feb 15, '13 by juan de la cruz, MSN, RN, NP GuideMedical student training are not federally funded. Starting a medical school is not as easy either with strict oversight by LCME. Graduate medical education (residencies and fellowships) are funded positions. But these are individuals with an MD or DO degrees undergoing training. NP students are RN's with no license or certification to provide advanced practice nursing yet, hence, they are similar in stature as medical students. NP residencies if they do become commonplace should also be federally funded.
- 2Feb 15, '13 by PacoUSA, BSN, RNQuote from myelinI have to interject on this too, and it makes me laugh at how far nurses go to get out of taking an entrance exam. It's so stupid! I know someone who decided not to apply to Columbia University because they require the GRE to their ETP program, and instead opted to go to Long Island U, which is a less-prestigious school not requiring the GRE and costs pretty much the same.Why are nurses so scared of the GRE? Not applying to a good program because you have an issue with the GRE is ridiculous. It's just a test. I see posts like this all the time "oh well, X program wants the GRE so I'm not going to apply"... come on. It's just a test and nursing is a field that is extremely lenient when it comes to GRE scores compared to other graduate fields.
Go with the program that has the best reputation for where you want to practice. Choose one that provides the entirety of your education (including clinical rotations) and yes, bigger name programs have far more networking opportunities.
- 0Feb 15, '13 by juan de la cruz, MSN, RN, NP GuideQuote from mylojoRNAre you doing all in-patient rotations at U of M Hospital as an FNP student? That's odd if that's the case.I am being precepted at U of M hospital, and already have a position waiting for me. This is due to my past nursing experience, not the school I am attending. I have a pretty good feeling that if I choose to move, the fact that I have worked at U of M for 10 years as a RN and however many years I will stay after obtaining my FNP, will open a lot of doors for me nationwide.
- 0Feb 15, '13 by harmonizerQuote from AgrippaI second this! Go to Georgia State!If you had a candidate who went to say your state's flagship university's NP program vs. Walden/Phoenix/whatever other online university - who would you hire. I know that I would hire the one that went to the brick and mortar university. I really think that nursing is really hurting the profession by allowing such programs that are mediocre at best enter into the field. You don't see any online for profit MD, PT, DSS, etc programs.