Now I get why experience means everything yet nothing - page 8

Now I finally get why nursing experience can prove invaluable in NP school, yet actually means nothing. It appears that nursing experience gives a valuable base from which to relate but does... Read More

  1. Visit  zenman profile page
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    Quote from mindlor
    Lots of ignorance flying around.......lots of jealousy.....

    Someone please tell me whhat slinging zpack at walgreens has to do with bedside nursing?

    Let me tell you. Diddly squat.

    I had a lengthy conversation with the dean of the FNP program at Columbia University. Her opinion is that every day working at the bedside is time and money lost......

    Just sayin

    Randall, we don't have a dean of the FNP program so I'm not sure whose opinion this was. However, we encourage our students to move quickly from the BSN to education for advanced practice roles if that is their educational priority. Some do take a year or two off to practice and we don't consider that wasted time but do want them to get back into their program as soon as possible.

    Sent from my iPhone
    Bobbie Berkowitz, PhD, RN, FAAN
    Dean and Professor
    Columbia University School of
    Nursing
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  2. Visit  TX RN profile page
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    Quote from zenman
    Randall, we don't have a dean of the FNP program so I'm not sure whose opinion this was. However, we encourage our students to move quickly from the BSN to education for advanced practice roles if that is their educational priority. Some do take a year or two off to practice and we don't consider that wasted time but do want them to get back into their program as soon as possible.

    Sent from my iPhone
    Bobbie Berkowitz, PhD, RN, FAAN
    Dean and Professor
    Columbia University School of
    Nursing
    ZING!!!!

    LOL
  3. Visit  nomadcrna profile page
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    Come on guys, at try and be accurate. Look at the difference in what he says PAs require and what is actually true.

    I had that in my ADN, much less my BSN, Masters and DNAP.

    Additional Requirements

    Required Semester Hours & GPA
    Required Courses
    The College requires applicants to earn a grade of C (2.0) or better in each of the following required courses, which must be completed within 10 years of the application date:

    • College Math - 3 semester hours (sh.)
    • English (including 3 sh of English Composition - 6 sh)
    • Humanities/Arts - 3 sh.
    • Social Sciences - 9 sh.
    • General Chemistry (I & II) including laboratory - 8 sh.
    • Microbiology including laboratory - 4 sh.
    • General biology and lab OR Zoology including laboratory - 4 sh.
    • Human Anatomy - 3 sh.
    • Human Physiology - 3 sh.
      • Note: If taking A&P combined; must take both A&P I & II

    • Biochemistry or Organic Chemistry - 3 sh.
    • Genetics - 3 sh.


    Prerequisites - Physician Assistant

    PA Application Cycle is from June 1st - September 1st, 2011
    All prerequisites are required at the college level from an accredited school and must be completed at the time of the CASPA application:
    1. Human Anatomy with lab recommended within 5 years of application deadline
    2. Human Physiology with lab recommended within 5 years of application deadline
    3. General Chemistry with lab
    4. Microbiology or bacteriology with lab
    5. Algebra, Calculus or Statistics
    6. English Composition
    7. Two courses in Social Sciences (e.g. Psychology, Sociology or Cultural Anthropology)




    Quote from mindlor

    Many are talking about PAs here as well...here is that deal: you have to have a BS in some field. Then you need prereqs as follows, Chem I. Chem II, Physics I, Physics II, Organic Chem I, Organic Chem II, Calculus I, among others. The PA programs as they are essentially replicate the first two years of Med School. They are very very difficult and competitive to enter. Also, most of the good schools will not accept an applicant that does not have at least 2000 hours of some sort of healthcare experience.

    it is much much easier to get into NP school. This is of course based on my individual experience and research. I am sure somewhere out there are exceptions......
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  4. Visit  Guttercat profile page
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    Quote from hey_suz
    The other thing that is happening is that, we seem to think it is no longer good enough to be an RN. Not important enough, or what have you, so many good nurses are becoming NP's, or going into management, leaving direct patient care.

    .

    I think RN's are simply seeing the handwriting on the wall.
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  5. Visit  Guttercat profile page
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    Quote from nomadcrna
    Come on guys, at try and be accurate. Look at the difference in what he says PAs require and what is actually true.

    I had that in my ADN, much less my BSN, Masters and DNAP.

    Additional Requirements

    Required Semester Hours & GPA
    Required Courses
    The College requires applicants to earn a grade of C (2.0) or better in each of the following required courses, which must be completed within 10 years of the application date:
    • College Math - 3 semester hours (sh.)
    • English (including 3 sh of English Composition - 6 sh)
    • Humanities/Arts - 3 sh.
    • Social Sciences - 9 sh.
    • General Chemistry (I & II) including laboratory - 8 sh.
    • Microbiology including laboratory - 4 sh.
    • General biology and lab OR Zoology including laboratory - 4 sh.
    • Human Anatomy - 3 sh.
    • Human Physiology - 3 sh.
      • Note: If taking A&P combined; must take both A&P I & II
    • Biochemistry or Organic Chemistry - 3 sh.
    • Genetics - 3 sh.
    Prerequisites - Physician Assistant

    PA Application Cycle is from June 1st - September 1st, 2011
    All prerequisites are required at the college level from an accredited school and must be completed at the time of the CASPA application:
    1. Human Anatomy with lab recommended within 5 years of application deadline
    2. Human Physiology with lab recommended within 5 years of application deadline
    3. General Chemistry with lab
    4. Microbiology or bacteriology with lab
    5. Algebra, Calculus or Statistics
    6. English Composition
    7. Two courses in Social Sciences (e.g. Psychology, Sociology or Cultural Anthropology)

    Thank you for saving me the time in typing out a "correction" to the post in question.

    You oultined it better than I would have, anyway.
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  6. Visit  zenman profile page
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    Quote from TX RN
    ZING!!!!

    LOL
    Well, I knew that deans were not over departments. They are usually department heads, program directors, etc. The point is that it's not ESSENTIAL to have any nursing experience but don't tell me it's not BENEFICIAL and will put you ahead of the game and help prevent that "deer in the headlight look" when you first start working. If you tell me you're not learning anything beneficial to being an NP during your nursing experience, then you're incapable of learning and will waste your time in NP school. That's my opinion borne out by my experience. And don't pull the "ignorance card" on me as I have a "get out of ignorance card." And above all, have fun debating!
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  7. Visit  mindlor profile page
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    zen, there can be little doubt that you are a smart person. I respect you.

    So did I get the semantics wrong. Yes I did. By dean, I simply meant the person in charge of the FNP program. So please insert the job title that is correct. Program director? So be it.

    So lets look at would Robbie said. Some students take a break between getting their BSN and then continuing on. Most do this strictly for the purpose of earning money. When I was at Columbia in 2010 the tuition at that time was 1800.00 per credit hour.

    Further looking at her post she says that this is absolutely not wasted experience. Agreed. How can any experience be wasted? However, she also implies that said experience certainly is not required.

    We can go back and forth and split hairs until the cows come come. People all have their opinions and most likely those opinions are not changeable......

    Anyway, I have a lot of studying to do. I hope that we all achieve or goals and our dreams. I further hope that the end result will be that the underserved people here in the USA gain access to excellent, compassionate healthcare.

    Peace
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  8. Visit  alwayslookingnp profile page
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    You failed to mention how many NP's don't actually spend a day working as a floor nurse before qualified (at least on paper) to practice.

    I disagree. I am an NP and there was no one in any of my classes without bedside experience. That being said, why not? MDs go straight from med school and we have MDs in their 20s. Why do nurses try to hold back other nurses? It is the nature of our profession I suppose that needs to change.
  9. Visit  alwayslookingnp profile page
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    You failed to mention how many NP's don't actually spend a day working as a floor nurse before qualified (at least on paper) to practice.

    What is TOS?
  10. Visit  alwayslookingnp profile page
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    mar 19 by bsnanat2 mar 19 by bsnanat2 a member since apr '11 - from 'southern, us'. posts: 207 likes: 488
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  11. Visit  alwayslookingnp profile page
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    You should stay at the bedside if that is where your passion is. We so need excellence at the bedside. The old definition of a "good nurse" is changing and is moving toward a nurse who understands patho and pharm. This is where it always should have been. It is gaining more respect for nursing (finally!)

    Don't agree that NP is dying. NPs are change agents a being the tip of the speear is never easy. with all the changes in health care and the changes which are no doubt to come, I think the role of the NP will be solid.Tthat said, it may not be in my lifetime : (. Also because of nursing's relationship with medicine the salaries for NPs may lower to that of RNs (most have already and many are even lower!) that means what for the salaries of RNs? Proboibly will dramatically trend down.
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  12. Visit  zenman profile page
    1
    Quote from alwayslookingnp
    You failed to mention how many NP's don't actually spend a day working as a floor nurse before qualified (at least on paper) to practice.

    I disagree. I am an NP and there was no one in any of my classes without bedside experience. That being said, why not? MDs go straight from med school and we have MDs in their 20s. Why do nurses try to hold back other nurses? It is the nature of our profession I suppose that needs to change.
    There is certainly a lot of need for change in nursing but you really can't compare physician training with years of clinical with a BSN nurse going straight into NP school and coming out with 700 hrs of clinical. I personally would like to see 2,000 hours of clinical for NPs unless you're a nut like me with 70,000 hrs of experience, lol!
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  13. Visit  BCgradnurse profile page
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    I would love to see mandatory residencies for NPs. However, we have a hard enough time finding clinical sites and preceptors for students, let alone sites that will pay you something while you do a residency.
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