Nurses eat their young - now I understand why. - page 7

I started working for a sub-acute LTC as the DSD last week. The DON and I hit it off because we have the same vision on what we need to do in order to solve the problems we current have. Early this week, we posted an ad for... Read More

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Mar 25, '12 by SHGR

Quote from not.done.yet

Core measures are a JHACO standard for treatment of certain diseases, shown to improve patient outcomes. If you don't know what they are you best get to learning them. They are required to remain JHACO certified, which is required for top tier Medicare reimbursement. Which means other insurance will follow suit soon in requiring them. They add more every year. The newest one that came down the pipe just this week is a requirement to give the pneumonia vaccine to all diabetics. Makes the head spin.

Mentioning a planned vacation comes when an offer has been made and compensation is being negotiated. Not in the first interview. At least not if you want the job offer.

They may know this concept but not by the name "core measures." I know the recommendations and keep up on the new stuff, but I would have asked for clarification on what the interviewer meant by that term.

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Mar 25, '12 by oldenurselady

I am guilty of not reading all of the posts in this thread. I am having a difficult time now with some of my new manager's (who seems ok) new hires. I literally think they were asked if they were the biggest, most-high maintanance diva in the class and hired if they said yes. We have several "young" nurses hired within thr past year. Most are nice, but... The most recent hires include a very arrogant 45-ish, person from a med-surg floor who has 15 months experience, a know it all traveller who cannot let anyone finish a sentence, and a brand new late 20's RN grad who tells people she isn't doing this or that and arrives late all of the time (because she has kids, isn't that unsual?. It must just be her who has kids, right?). The last gal was hired for nights, but "there is no way" she is doing it. She figures after they orient her for 16 weeks, they won't waste their $ and so they will give her what she wants! These people chart incorrectly, leave things they do not tell others about, and despite their stellar self-assessments, have made some pretty significant errors. I know people can lie in an interview, but these three are pretty obnoxious. I do not see how she could miss their personalities (they do not hold back) AND she had traveller on contract for 12 weeks. My biggest pet peeve is that the two newer nurses constantly ask "what do you do about xyz?" I tell them what I do. "No, I don't think so. i think you do this." Ok, well why did you ask? If you give a rationale for your actions or even show them a policy, it doesn't matter. They do want. One left meds at the beside and I told her the next day, that she should not do it. She got a foul attitude. I explained i did not write her up, but wanted to help her. Then she told me she did not do it, her preceptor did it. Sorry, the patient gave your name specifically and described you when I said..Who left them for you? We usually don't do that. "It was ___, that new girl with the glasses and ---colored hair. I will be in trouble for not writing her up, but that will be the last time she gets a pass from me. I wanted to tell her what an arrogant fool she was, but it is not worth the bother. She needs a time machine to take her back to age 3 to fix her problems. No one should be bullied when they are new. However, when you come on the scene acting like a bully, you endear yourself to no one. I am seriously waiting for a long lost rich relative to die. I have been a nurse for more than 25 years and this is it. There is more to it than these newbies, but it is a lot of stress.

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Mar 25, '12 by dudette10

OP, you have seven pages of people saying the same thing: reconsider the vet tech. If what you posted was the only thing "wrong" with her, you could probably do a LOT worse.

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Mar 25, '12 by jrwest

just an observation, but it just isnt in nursing- general society is this way now too. after the day i had with the psycho patients on the floor- ive come to the conclusion that the world indeed is going to helena handbasket.

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Mar 25, '12 by MJB2010 Guide

I am wondering OP, if you are qualified to interview applicants? You seem to be lacking the basic skills of hiring and getting to the meat of the applicant. I think the one that mentioned the vacation was being honest and upfront, of course she could ahve blindsided you with that info upon getting an offer but she was honest about it. That is comendable. ANd the vet tech would probably have a lot of useful skills that could help her pick things up a little quicker than someone without that type of experience.

OP how much nursing experience do you have? Think back to how you were as a new grad and how much or little you knew. Think back to the first interview you had and how scary it was. You seem to have forgotten. I am willing to bet you are not perfect either.

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Mar 25, '12 by obprof

Quote from NocturneNrse

Ok ok.. I have to intervene here. Having been a Vet tech and starting MANY IV's on dogs and cats.. I must say.. it's WAY harder to start one in a dog/cat than in a human. The techniques are very similar. But you have a squirming animals trying to bite you oftentimes... Perhaps it was her attitude that made her seem "ignorant".. but in my experience.. much easier in humans. I understand the attitude in new RN Grad's is often times one of "know it all-ness".. once they start doing the actual job.. they're going to realize just how much they DON'T KNOW.. perhaps that will humble them. We can only hope. p.s. I still don't think anyone should "eat" their young, or old.

I disagree...starting an IV in NICU is REALLY HARD too!
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Mar 25, '12 by Merlyn

Quote from RN_Marie

I started working for a sub-acute LTC as the DSD last week. The DON and I hit it off because we have the same vision on what we need to do in order to solve the problems we current have.

Early this week, we posted an ad for RN charge nurse with no experience required. We feel it's best to have trainable nurses even though they lack experience. I was tasked to interview for the position as I will be the one training them for the first 36-hours.

Needless to say, I was flabbergasted with the array of applicants we had and now know why the some nurses eat their young.
- New RN grad said she's been working as a CNA and knows she can do the job because there's not much difference between being a charge nurse and CNA
- New RN grad said that she'll consider our offer, so I asked if she is being offered another position (as we need someone full time). She said she's expecting an offer any day now since she finished the online application earlier this week (and she was not kidding).
- Someone coming into the interview with a wrinkled nose and irked expression and said that she can smell the BM from the floor
- Someone who wrote "expert in IV medication preparation"; when asked what's their experience on it, she stated she's been a vet nurse and she's been doing those a lot.
- Someone who said they are not available for the first two weeks of April as they are going on a cruise
- Someone asking for the pay, end up telling me that new grad RNs in LA are paid $34/hr starting at the beginning of the interview.
- When asked about core measures, all of them couldn't deliver one intelligent answer.

and a lot more...

Looking back, I asked myself if I ever acted as arrogant and privileged as the ones I encountered. Most of the ones the new grads I interviewed have this air... like they have mastered a craft. Like I should be rolling out the red carpet for them.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Nursing School. These grads were told that they are kings and Queens. the world will open up to them, that nurses are so needed that all they have to do is to wave their licenses and hundreds of jobs our theirs. NOW they graduate and are pushed into the real world. Reality slaps them right in the face. You see it on this board all of the time. There are no jobs. But the attitude. I worked with LPN's who went on for RN. When I see them now don't even say hello.
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Mar 25, '12 by MJB2010 Guide

I am also curious as to why, if you found the resume so comical and outlandish, did you invite her in for an interview? I am guessing you limited your applicant pool by stating no experience necessary and "charge nurse" in the add. A lot of people with no experience would realize right away that it is a red flag to want a charge nurse with no nursing experience.

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Mar 25, '12 by Ashley, PICU RN

Quote from obprof

I disagree...starting an IV in NICU is REALLY HARD too!

Yeah- kind of like starting an IV on a chihuahua. :-)

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Mar 25, '12 by nursel56 Guide

Reading through this and other recent "you won't believe what the person I interviewed said/did/wore" threads lately I wonder if people are not told about the 'people skills' portion of having a successful interview? That only advise selling yourself and turning every experience you've ever had in your life into a marketable skill as a new grad but not how to effectively bring that into the conversation or describe it on your resume?

When someone discussed what to wear so many people brought up excuse after excuse why the interviewee should be able to wear whatever they want. The candidate who told the interviewer that she should lose weight probably was trying to showcase her skills in patient education - but in an utterly clueless manner.

I guess I don't see it as a philosophical argument about anything other than having that person connect with you and believe you are the proverbial "good fit" they are looking for?

OP, I'm quite sure that in Orange County you should be able to have a boatload of qualified people apply for your job. It's a mistake to narrow your search to new grads. Experienced does not mean inflexible.

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