Nurses eat their young - now I understand why. - page 10

by RN_Marie 29,937 Views | 158 Comments

I started working for a sub-acute LTC as the DSD last week. The DON and I hit it off because we have the same vision on what we need to do in order to solve the problems we current have. Early this week, we posted an ad for... Read More


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    I see it this way.

    You posted an ad for a position which typically is filled by someone with experience, even though you said no experience required. I understand that you want someone your an mold into the perfect nurse for your facility, but.....

    The nurses that are responding to your ad are ones that think they are so good that even though they have no experience, they can handle this job. So, yes they will have this kind of attitude and false sense of their own abilities.

    I would have never ever thought of applying for a charge nurse position whether or not it said no experience required.

    How can I be in charge of something I have no experience in?
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    Quote from RN_Marie

    I ask you this, can you honestly say that you are a nurse when you have never functioned as one? When you have never performed any duties of a nurse? When you never had the opportunity to pick up the phone and call a doctor? When you have to tell a family that their father has passed away? When you've never given medications outside of the clinical setting?
    From looking at your previous posts you just became an RN yourself less than three weeks ago. I am going to throw the same question that you asked right back at you: can you honestly say that you are a Registered Nurse when you have never functioned as one?

    You lack RN experience and are working as the Director of Staff Development. You are hiring/training charge RNs with no RN experience yourself. I don't understand how YOU will train an RN to be charge nurse when you have never worked as an RN. Your lack of experience became obvious when you posted the resume of one of your applicants on a public forum. I'll add that it also looks like you became in LPN in 2006. I respect LPNs entirely but they have a different role than RNs...working as an LPN does not qualify you to train RNs! You're not so different from these applicants you look down upon.

    Your facility seems to be sacrificing safety for cost-effectiveness. Maybe you should reevaluate where you are working.


    PS I think someone is a Registered Nurse as soon as the BON says they are.
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    My mom has been an ICU nurse for over 30 years. She's smart, caring but can be critical of the job because she's so passionate about it. I'm glad she doesn't eat the new grads but I get to hear (and understand) why there are SOME who do. She says most schools in the area build up their student nurses to be "over confident". Yes, confidence is needed but they have this mentality of almost being defensive and over confident because they anticipate the "eating". With that, older nurses get turned off by the attitude thus, eating their young.

    I'm a novice nurse and I am very willing to learn from the older nurses. I don't know everything and I'm definitely okay with that. I can only hope the older nurses will be kind and patient enough to share their knowledge with me.

    PS: My mom also gets very annoyed because she says she sees "young nurses" on their iphone playing games, texting, online checking their facebook and with the patient's call light is on, she attends to their patient, instead of them.
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    Quote from Hellostudentnurssee
    I'm a novice nurse and I am very willing to learn from the older nurses. I don't know everything and I'm definitely okay with that. I can only hope the older nurses will be kind and patient enough to share their knowledge with me.

    PS: My mom also gets very annoyed because she says she sees "young nurses" on their iphone playing games, texting, online checking their facebook and with the patient's call light is on, she attends to their patient, instead of them.
    2 things you should really learn, and perhaps your mother too. "older" nurses like to be called "seasoned" nurses and "young" nurses are new nurses. I graduated from the same nursing class at 23 as I did with women in their 50's. We were on the same level.

    And the generalization I do not life. I worked with some "seasoned" nurses who pretty much spent their night shift in the ICU sleeping. May they not be on their phone or checking their Facebook, they were checked out, drooling on themselves. That used to get ME annoyed as a YOUNG nurse, when i had was answering their call lights, recycling their blood pressures or suctioning their ETT's.
    Last edit by TheCommuter on Mar 26, '12 : Reason: quotation blocks
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    Don't understand the DON's view on new grads for this position since every single new grad I met that was newly hired for LTC, was very vocal about what she couldn't do, was afraid of, or just plain quit the job within days. RN's are supposed to be 'educated' as opposed to 'trained', so perhaps there is a further disconnect here.
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    Quote from RN_Marie
    Needless to say, I was flabbergasted with the array of applicants we had and now know why the some nurses eat their young.
    I see none of those as worthy of being "eaten," regardless of their suitability as competitive candidates. "Eating" new nurses is quite simply unprofessional and unnecessary.
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    I must agree that you find poor nurses at both ends of the spectrum. Certainly, some new grads cannot function well on the job. However, I have also worked with a couple of seasoned nurses who shouldn't be on the job either.....as in sleeping when they shouldn't be and refusing tasks that we as a team are responsible for. There's all kinds in the workplace.
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    Quote from not.done.yet
    Core measures are a JHACO standard for treatment of certain diseases, shown to improve patient outcomes. If you don't know what they are you best get to learning them. They are required to remain JHACO certified, which is required for top tier Medicare reimbursement. Which means other insurance will follow suit soon in requiring them. They add more every year. The newest one that came down the pipe just this week is a requirement to give the pneumonia vaccine to all diabetics. Makes the head spin.

    Mentioning a planned vacation comes when an offer has been made and compensation is being negotiated. Not in the first interview. At least not if you want the job offer.
    I've been in LTC for the last 15+ years and never in a JHACO certified building....I didn't have any idea what a "core measure" was but guessed it had something to do with some regulations. Not many LTCs in my area are JHACO
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    Well, the OP really hasn't been back to comment. Looks like she came on to vent and got torn up. I have no idea what experience the OP has since I didn't look at her profile, but you learn things real quick in LTC. When we use the initials LTC most people think a smelly nursing home with "old" people that are warehoused until they die. Not true. Most facilities (both large and small) still do have a long term unit(s) but more and more will be having shorter term skilled or sub acute units and some with intermediate care units.
    A charge nurse title can mean anything depending on the shift and size of the place. In a smaller place, it might just be the person in charge of the shift and they would have an assignment just like the other staff nurses. They might or might not have another supervisor on duty overtop of them. Or...this person could be the desk nurse and be the only supervisor on that shift or in the facility.

    OP sounds like she is in a larger facility where they have the DSD and time to allocate for a nice orientation. 36 hrs with DSD and then two months??? Nice for a LTC and should be more than adequate for orientation (I'm assuming they would even be flexable with adding some depending on the need) Not many offer this and it sounds like if they would go to the trouble they would somewhat supportive.

    I've seen quite a few new grads come into LTC and do just fine...depending on the support they have and orientation they get. Ive seen some seasoned nurses come to LTC and do just fine too (as long as they had an open mind and realized it was different from acute care) I've seen some that didn't do as well.

    OP was venting.
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    I'm not sure OP was venting. She's way too new herself to vent about this topic. I can only add that I'm so happy I don't work for that place!
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