"Nurses Are So Mean"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. Nurses Relations Article

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I wish I had a dollar for every post I've read claiming that "nurses are so mean," "nurses are nasty to each other," "nurses eat their young" or "my preceptor is picking on me for no good reason." And then if you add in all the nurses who are "fired for NO reason" or is hated by their co-workers because they're so much younger and more beautiful than everyone around them or just can't get along with their colleagues no matter what they do -- well, I'd be a rich woman. I could retire to Tahiti and lounge on the beach sipping margaritas and eating BON bons. Or whatever. You catch my drift.

I'm beginning to believe that the nurses, nursing students, new grads and CNAs who claim that everyone is being mean to them are revealing far more about their own character than they are about the people around them.

It's A Pattern

It's usually pretty much a pattern -- someone who is new to nursing, new to a specialty or new to a job posts a plaintive lament about how everyone they work with is just so MEAN. Often times, when the poster goes on to describe the situation, it's just that they had a negative interaction with one nurse -- and often just that one time. It's as if no one is allowed to have a bad day. There are no allowances made for the colleague who may be a bit brusque because they've been up all night with a cranky baby or a wandering parent with dementia or their dog just died or even -- heaven forbid -- they're weary of answering that same question over and over without any learning occurring.

People Have Bad Days

It's just one of those things. We cannot all call in sick every time we've had to stay up all night with a child or parent, put the dog to sleep or take antihistamines. We can't all not come to work every time the sewer backs up, the roof leaks or the car won't start. Some of us on any given day have worries and responsibilities outside the job. If you happen to encounter a colleague on the day she discovered her husband was cheating on her, her child crashed another car or the space heater fried a whole circuit they might just be rude to you. They probably don't mean it, possibly don't even realize they WERE rude to you. Cut them some slack. Even preceptors have really bad days when nothing goes right. If you're looking for nurses eating their young or being mean and nasty to their co-workers, you'll find them. Whether or not they actually ARE young-eaters or mean nurses.

"Coworkers Are So Mean To Me"

Another common theme is a poster complaining about how mean her new co-workers are to her. She's never done anything to deserve it, she's always been pleasant and helpful and she thinks (or someone has told her) that they're picking on her because they are just so jealous of her relative youth and beauty. I'm suggesting that if that's what you believe -- that you're perfect, but your co-workers are jealous of your youth and beauty -- you ought to perhaps look a little deeper. Much of the time, there will be another reason that you're not getting along with the people at work. Perhaps you're not being as friendly and helpful as you think. Perhaps you're not carrying your full share of the workload, or aren't learning despite asking the same questions over and over or are rude to people you perceive as "old dogs who ought to retire" or "ugly old hags."

If you're writing in to complain that "mean people follow me everywhere" and "I've had five jobs since I graduated six months ago, and my preceptors have all been nasty" or "nurses eat their young and I know that because I'm always being eaten," stop and think for a minute. If the same problem follows you everywhere you go, it may not be them. There's a good chance that it's YOU. You can change jobs as many times as you like, but everywhere you go, there you are. Since the only person you can change is YOU, stop and think about what you might be doing to contribute to your problems. A little self-assessment and introspection can only be a good thing.

"Nurses Eat Their Young"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. When I grew up and learned more, my co-workers became much nicer people. While I know that lateral violence does exist, I don't think it exists to the point that some people seem to think it does. Or to the degree that a regular reader of allnurses.com could believe it does. Every time you have a negative interaction with a co-worker, it's not necessarily lateral violence. It could very well be that someone is having a very, very bad day. Or week. Or it could be that rather than your co-workers being jealous of your extreme good looks, you're regularly doing something really stupid or thoughtless that irritates or annoys them. Quite possibly, the problem is you. Maybe you're not studying enough, learning enough, understanding enough or doing enough. Certainly if you're always having the same problems over and over again, everywhere you go, the problem IS you.

The only person you can "fix" is you. I really, really wish that people would at least consider the possibility that they are part of the problem before they scream that "nurses eat their young."

This problem could be fixed by removing all femal nurses. LOL

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

I'll just gingerly step over the post directly above this one---:uhoh21:

Doc Lori RN- I agree with you about the value of having a preceptor with the grace to allow a new nurse to talk about her anxiety in a safe place. I had a similar experience when I decided to talk to a supervisor honestly about my anxiety in a certain area-- it's amazing how knowing the world won't come to an end if you share your vulnerabilities, and that a person believes in your ultimate potential frees up the energy needed to master the task at hand.

I wish all were mature enough to listen to a new grad's normal and understandable anxiety and provide the psychological space for growth to them. It's quite a blessing and as you said, can be just enough to allow the new person to turn the corner.

Specializes in med surg, geriatric, clinical, pool.
Yes, definitely, but not necessarily the way you mean. I currently work for an employer (but not much longer, I hope!!) that runs off all the good, competent, honest people and not just keeps but promotes and indulges the sorry losers. The worse example of a nurse you are, the brighter your future with this organization. I've never run into so many nurses in one place (including throughout the administration) that make me embarrassed to be a nurse.

This was the reason I quit nursing although I do wish I had kept up my skills now due to my husband's business doing so poorly we could use the money. I just got tired of not being able to Just Go To Work and do my job without having to fix a problem created by the last nurse.

And the pranksters...they would say.. "no that's not my patient", "yes, that's my patient", "not my patient', just stupid stuff, in the mean time I needed vitals on a particular patient. I just wanted to slap them. I really just wanted to do my job!

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Dont let anyone spoil your journey. If a unit is toxic, get out - but take your time. I find major teaching facilities are addressing horizontal violence more so than community hospitals. In fact, there are some that will actually suspend or fire an individual for lack of civility. That is because this problem is a MAJOR safety issue. If you decide to speak with your manager or HR, BE WELL ARMED. Get some ideas from Suzanne Gordons website; there is a great article in "Health Affairs" journal titled "Bullying" that pertains to behavior among nurses; on the Joint Commission site you can find specific new guidelines that

address the issue BECAUSE IT IS A PATIENT SAFETY ISSUE; finally the Robert Wood Johnson public policy site has some articles that are worthy of finding.Take good care of yourself and remember, its usually because they are deeply unhappy, may have made some bad choices in their life - everyone else is supposed to "understand" their rage in the workplace. Given that

medical errors continue to be a hugh problem, many health policy experts are taking a hard look at workplace communication.

All units should be "safe" in that communication is open and without ridicule. Finally, keep in mind that poor behavior by some nurses does not make us worthy of respect by other groups. WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND IT IS US.

I understand where you are coming from. We all get frustrated and get into bad moods. But at your job you are supposed to be professional and set an example. You are supposed to get along with your co-workers, accept the new ones that arrive and educate the unexperienced. You aren't supposed to be mean and hateful because "you're having a bad day". Too bad, you are at work not your home, you are in a professional setting, would you be a jerk to your patients because you're "having a bad day"? Maybe the reason why you would be so rich if you had money for everytime you heard someone say nurses are mean is because some of them really are this mean...maybe just maybe.

Yes, some nurses eat their young......plain and simple and you know who you are. And then there are those nurses that take you under their wing and foster, and nurture that potential they see within you. There is a clear difference in being "mean" and having a bad day. "Mean" tends to be consistent. I have had bad days but always warn my coworkers and let them know how I'm feeling. E.g. "I'm feeling a little down today or this happened so just bear with me." Communication is huge and often it does not happen. Yes, nursing is stressful but creating an environment that is lacking in respect, and courtesy is not conducive to optimal patient care. Clearly when you feel good and your coworkers support you, your patients are going to receive all that "good stuff" rolling down the pike. Yes, I have really bad days esp when my personal relationships are in turmoil but you have to compartmentalize. I think that we as nurses need more support with that. We're given a lot and told more or less to deal with it. I think we have a long way to come in terms of supporting eachother. We just don't have the tools. They say that 80% of nurses have grown up with at least one alcoholic parent. It's difficult to support others when we can't even support ourselves. Nurturing begins with ourselves. We often fail ourselves while rehabilitating others. Where do we go to replenish ourselves? How can a starving person feed others???

Specializes in Dialysis,M/S,Home Care,LTC, Admin,Rehab.

You seek counseling. You "nurse your spirit"! ;)

Yes counseling is important but nurturing eachother in the profession is key : )

UMM I thought about it and NO the problem isnt generally the person, its the nasty rude people specifically taking thier personal problems out on someone else. That is not acceptable practice any where especially in nursing, life is hard enough and work is to, their is no need to be nasty because your husband is cheating on you, I didnt sleep with him. If I have a bad day , I will just tell my co worker that i am not having a good day so that way nothing is misunderstood, but this is not the case. You cannot have a bad day every day so that cannot be the problem. PS nobody picks up my slack either. I am the one known for picking up the slack and I am the one that people ask questions to but I do the same. Good nurses always ask each other questions if its not what they are used to do dealing with, and if you think you know everything, then hopefully your patients dont suffer from your arrogance.

Nursing is not a competition its suppose to be a partnership. A good partner will ask her co worker if she needs help when she is done with hers and vice versa, this way the patients do not suffer. If your partner has someone who isnt doing very good then thier is nothing wrong with helping her patients so that her unstable patient gets the care they need as well as the others..

COME ON ALREADY

We should ALL check our attitudes AND personal problems at the door as much as possible when we come to work. Work is work. Not a place to abuse coworkers or vent out our personal frustrations.

AGREE! It's highly unprofessional to act out at work. You're getting paid to do a job, so do it. If you're irritated, etc, you don't have to plaster on a fake smile, but you should maintain a professional demeanor. That includes EVERYONE from the CNAs to the MDs. I've worked on site with construction workers inspecting projects I've designed and they always act very professionally. I'm surprised to see this happening in the nursing realm.

Specializes in med/surg and adult critical care.

In my new position( been here 5 months) in new facility(to me,...experienced nurseof over 20 years here), there is no partnership...it is a competition....don't know why....when I have patients who are not fairing well...it's just me...when they crash...it's just me....management knows that this behavior is happening with certain nurses on certain shifts...I have actually calmly spoken to these nurses about how patient care is affected when we do not work as partners or a team....they still sit at the desk or find unimportant charge nurse or staff nurse busy work to do...I plan on transferring out of this unit...I have worked with some wonderful nurses in some wonderful facilities and have been fortunate to experience the partnerships and the team experience when caring for patients....I feel like if I stay on this unit...I am doing myself a disservice as well as my patients...and to make things worse...race is an issue...and racist comments are made along with watching provocative videos on the hospital computer...also personal phone calls and text messaging go on all the time....I feel like that the behavior is incredibly unprofessional...and I have spoken up about it to the nurses who behave in this manner(which by the way violates hospital policy)...only to be called names like the B word and racist....I wish everyone would grow up, suck it up and just work....wish me luck in finding another position...