NYU nursing

hawks126 · Dec 7, 2008

I hate to break the reputation to you all who thinks NYU nursing is great. It's NOT. You are just paying for the name. You are not getting a better education. I have precepted a lot of NYU students and new graduates over the years and I can tell you they are no different than any other students or graduates from other nursing schools.

I really appreciate your honesty. I received my acceptance letter from NYU today for the second degree program. As much as I would love to attend, there's a good chance I'll end up at Adelphi on Long Island. I live 10 minutes from Adelphi so obviously that commute would be much easier (and cheaper) then traveling to NYC everyday. In your opinion, do you think I'd be better off at Adelphi (which is much much cheaper then NYU)??? Any response is appreciated!!

Thanks.

jschomburg · Dec 7, 2008

I hate to break the reputation to you all who thinks NYU nursing is great. It's NOT. You are just paying for the name. You are not getting a better education. I have precepted a lot of NYU students and new graduates over the years and I can tell you they are no different than any other students or graduates from other nursing schools. My co-owrkers are NYU clinical instructors and they complain they have too many students to teach or supervise the clinical sessions. So that means, most students don't have one to one hands on experience with their instructor. They come to the clinical unprepared,don't know how to take the blood pressure with manual cuff, or just standing in the hallway bec they don't know what to do.
What I find really disturbing is that some of the students, not just NYU students...think that they are going to be BSN RNs so they don't have to wipe butts or do am care.
They are shocked that RNs still have to clean up poop. Hello!!!
They are either in nursing bec of the money or job security. They don't care about nursing or the people. I find that a lot in second career students.
It's about 65K for 15 month accerlerated program at NYU. It's just tuition and does not include books,fees, living expenses. A lof of NYU graduates come out with approximately 80K in debt. But the nursing experience you got at NYU is the same as someone who graduated from public schools CUNY or SUNY with 5K SL. Where I work, we hire new grads from all over the US as long as you have a BSN.
Trust me, you will be paying for that tuition until you're in retirement.
By the way, I went to NYU bec of it was free.

I'm sorry.... but tulips you are so wrong about this statement that you should be slapped with an ignorant book for at least a week.

Before I answer your crazy statements I will start off by saying that I'm finishing my first semester in the accelerated program.

1. Paying for a name brand education.. yes, yes you are, and that name brand education will last a lifetime. I tell everyone that asks me if NYU is worth the money and I respond the same to everyone. If you just want to be an RN, then no, it probably is not. But if you want to further your education and continue to get an advanced degree your degree from NYU will open a lot more doors, guaranteed.

2. The student to clinical instructor ratio is 5:1-6:1, from what I hear from other nursing students, this is about the same, or less (granted I talk to friends back home in Indiana, I'm not sure what it's like in other NYC area schools.

3. Students come to clinicals unprepared.... well, that's the students fault. Most everyone in my clinical group was very prepared and anxious to get going. When I talk to friends back home, comparing clincial experiences they are amazed about how much I have done.

I firmly believe that what you get out of clinical experience is what you put into it.

a student doesn't know how to take bp manually, well... that's their fault. I was able to take bp the first day they taught us, like the rest of my fellow students.
the student just stands in the hallway... once again, thats the students fault. There is one student in my group that tends to stand in the hallway, they could be scared/anxious, but my clinical instructor (who is amazing btw) gets her in there and has her do things. The last two clinical experiences I had, I basically took over the nurses patient load, 6 patients each time. I was pulling iv's, priming iv's, giving meds (whith the clinical instructor present of course), assessing wounds, adminstering chest pt, suctioning trach's, walking patients, moving patients to chairs, making beds, giving patients bedpans, measuring and emptying said bedpan, giving bedbaths.... and of course cleaning up poop, which brings me to....
Wiping... I don't know how any nursing student thinks they wont have to do this... it's just niave. It's the first thing you learn and probably the most consistent activity you do. It's as much as a given as saying hello (well not really, but it seems that way).

4. "They are either in nursing bec of the money or job security. They don't care about nursing or the people. I find that a lot in second career students."

You know what... I take a lot of offense to this... You must be saying that I left my career the paid me very well because I want (actually less) money or job security. You're implying that my friend who is my study group left her six figure job becuase she wanted to take a pay cut.

I honestly think that second degree students realize what they want to do in life and are willing to make the sacrificies to make that happen.

I'm not saying there aren't people who think that way (only into nursing for money and job security), there actually were a lot at my previous school in Indiana. I seldom hear this from NYU students in my class. If you actually talk to them (instead of you which I assume you met one, or you were one yourself, and end up making a broad sweeping statement about all NYU students), you will find that most all of them left a high paying, upper level job to come here. 99% of the students I meet at NYU genuinely cares about improving the quality of life for their patients.

5. A couple more things about NYU before I'm done....

the faculty and staff in the College of Nursing is EXCELLENT. As everyone may know, there is a shortage of nurses, which means there is a shortage of faculty (since they can make much more as a nurse). NYU (and it's high tuition) brings in the best of the best for faculty, whom I would also think they might want teach at a "name brand" univeristy. As I talk to other nursing students back home, they constantly say how bad their nursing experience is because of the faculty, which is the reason why I transfered. One of my friends, and several of her classmates were ready to quit the program becuase they didnt want to end up like their instructors.
The NYU faculty and staff care, a LOT, about their students and their future success (at times it seems like almost too much!). They encourage expanding your knowledge through research, they encourage pursuing higher education and they genuinely want the best our of their students

6. With all of that being said, NYU IS EXPENSIVE!! If you search my previous posts, I have NYU estimated at $100,000 for the 15 month program (including EVERYTHING, tuition, housing, food, spending money, etc). I have personally sold all of my possessions (house, car, furniture, everything) to come here, and no, I don't regret it. In fact I will be joining the Army Nurse Corp Reserve to help pay back my loans (hello $50k loan repayment and $30k sign on).

You really need to think long and hard about attending NYU, it is outragesouly expensive, but I truly believe that you get what you pay for. And when it gets harder to find a first job (read into nursing hiring freezes... bad economy=fewer people with healthcare=fewer visits to hospitals=less nurses) a BSN from NYU might stand out from others....

Just my 2 cents....

good luck in whatever you decide and remember, what you get out of nursing school is what you put into it. YOU have to decide if you want to be the person standing outside the patients room or the person who goes in and learns... no school can instill a will to learn, you have to come with that.

tulips134 · Jan 28, 2009

OMG…you, freaking 1st semester nursing student, not even a nurse yet, telling me I’m ignorant? How old are you and how many years have you work in health care?

Unlike you, I am neither ignorant nor hang up on NYU name. Don’t even talk to me until you actually become a nurse for at least a year.

You wanna talk about ignorance? It is YOU who is ignorant about nursing and how HC delivery system works. Nobody cares where you got your degree when you start working. Not your coworkers, managers, doctors, or the patients. In reality, what people really care is your skills (clinical, social/communication, leadership, a team player) and most importantly whether you are caring/compassionate HC professional or not.

As much as you like to believe that NYU name matters, the truth is employers look for work experience, work experience and work experience. Sorry, you don’t get paid higher amount or better treatment because you got NYU degree or any other Ivies. I’ve got degrees from NYU and Columbia but I’ve been offered many jobs and gotten promotions due to my knowledge, clinical and leadership skills.

If you just want to be an RN, then no, it probably is not. But if you want to further your education and continue to get an advanced degree your degree from NYU will open a lot more doors, guaranteed.

So are you saying that you can’t get into a grad school w/o NYU name? a BSN from let’ say Hunter,CUNY doesn’t have the same chance as NYU grad? Ahhhh…….I can’t even tell you how ignorant you are. When I was in grad schools, about 80% of my fellow classmates got their BSNs from so- called no-name colleges and universities. Somehow, their undergraduate degrees didn’t matter to NYU and Columbia.

Paying for a name brand education.. yes, yes you are, and that name brand education will last a lifetime. I tell everyone that asks me if NYU is worth the money and I respond the same to everyone.

In certain degrees like business, finance, MBA,, yes a brand name degree may matter but not in health care, and certainly not in nursing. Sure, paying close to 100k for a brand name education in your case will last a life time bec. you will be paying until your retirement. There are schools just as competitive as NYU for 1/5 of the price.

15 yrs I’ve been in nursing, I’ve never met a new grad who was so confident of his/her clinical skills. I’ve trained new grads and precepted so many students over the years and they all had to start from the beginning even some of them were CNAs or externs. While some were fast learners, others were not. it has nothing to do with school name but an individual’s ability to learn.

The biggest reason I advocate for low tuition school is that after you became an RN, you are not left with huge SLs. Whether 20k or 100k SL, it is still a loan that you have to pay back for many many years. Especially second degree students, some (if not many) of you are still carrying SLs from their undergrad degrees, you don’t want to add another huge amount to it if you can avoid.

Even you don’t mind paying NYU’s hefty tuition now, you won’t feel the same after you have been a nurse for a few years. Several nurses at work who have huge SLs are paying 500-1100/mo for their SLs.

I don’t know about you but many RNs feel that they are living pay-check to pay-check and rather use that money for a down payment on a house, to pay off the mortgage, credit card debts or on their family and children. Especially in this dire economy, having a huge debt does affect your life in many ways. Your debt/income ratio affects FICO credit score which in turn determines your mortgage rate/credit card rate/car loan, and even student loans when you decide to go back to a grad school.

BTW, I went NYU and Columbia, not because I believed that they will prepare me a better nurse or open the doors. Simple as it sounds, I went to those schools because tuition was free as it was part of the benefits. I would and could never pay for their outrageous tuition prices on my own.

The student to clinical instructor ratio is 5:1-6:1.

I have not seen this ratio of 5:1 or 6:1 since I’ve been in nursing. We have NYU students( generic and second degree) doing their clinical every semester.

NYU (and it's high tuition) brings in the best of the best for faculty, whom I would also think they might want teach at a "name brand" univeristy.

This actually made me laugh. Are you that naïve? They need teachers so desperately that they even offer to grad students to teach. Many of my coworkers were NYU clinical instructors. I said were because they stopped teaching. Why? because NYU paid their teachers a measly salary despite charging hefty tuition to their students. NYU used to pay $3k/semester to teach. Then they increased it to 5K. Still, that’s a small sum for a huge responsibility of teaching 10-12 students.

BTW many of my coworkers who’d taught at NYU ,got their education from public schools.

I honestly think that second degree students realize what they want to do in life and are willing to make the sacrifices to make that happen. you will find that most all of them left a high paying, upper level job to come here.

Are you sure most second degree students? Again, I’m talking from my experience as someone who chose nursing as her first and only career. I’ve been a(n) CNA, Extern, RN, assistant nurse manager and NP. A vast majority of nursing students I’ve precepted over the years, left their career bec. 1. they wanted make more money, 2. were going nowhere in their careers, 3. couldn’t get a job or were laid off. I’ve worked with people who left teaching, retail, advertising, banking/finance, law enforcement, other HC workers …EMTs, paramedics, Social workers/psychologists, etc. They certainly didn't leave highpaying careers.

Personally, I couldn’t careless why they chose nursing as long as they have what it takes to be a nurse. Believe me, I’ve seen and heard it all. Some of the new grads didn’t realize that nursing is a hard work. What you experienced during your school clinical is a lot different in reality. You don’t get to go home just bec your shift ends or eat lunch bec it’s lunch time. It can be ext. stressful and everyone is clamoring for your attention. We need dedicated nurses who are not in to collect the paycheck but actually care about the patients and know what they are doing.

After all, slacking off and lack of competency affect everyone; staff morals, the patients, the institution and our own profession.

99% of the students I meet at NYU genuinely cares about improving the quality of life for their patients.Most everyone in my clinical group was very prepared and anxious to get going.

I am happy to hear that you and your group was prepared and caring as every student should be. But what I am seeing every year tells me a different story. Talk to me when you reach my level, and we’ll see if you still feel the same.

I firmly believe that what you get out of clinical experience is what you put into it.

So why are you contradicting yourself? Don’t you think that you will be a better nurse no matter what school you go to? I do. I firmly believe that it’s not up to school to make someone a(n) better nurse or APN. It is in all of us that we can be the best nurse if we want to regardless of the school we went to.

And when it gets harder to find a first job (read into nursing hiring freezes... bad economy=fewer people with healthcare=fewer visits to hospitals=less nurses) a BSN from NYU might stand out from others....

Again, I repeat, employers look for work experience, like externship, CNA, etc. They would rather hire someone who has work experience. In case if you don’t know, many hospitals in NYC metro area are hiring experienced nurses from Philippines, India, South Africa, and Caribbean. Where I work, we have a lot of nurses from Canada, Caribbean, India and Philippines and some NPs from England and Australia. Welcome to the reality of healthcare delivery system in the US.

mchva · Jan 28, 2009

Unfortunately, these posts are a combination of 2 things--a naive, young, and excited nursing student, and a more experienced nurse who seems to have fallen into the dreadful, yet common trap of older nurses eating their young. Perhaps the reality of NYU and nursing, in general, is somewhere in the middle of these replies.

mchva · Jan 28, 2009

duplicate response...sorry

ucdavistudent · Apr 14, 2009

Hi everyone,

I was accepted into Fall's aBSN program. I've been reading the posting and was worried about how difficult the classes would be. It seems like NYU enforces a B- minimum grade?

I am not the brightest. I graduated UC Davis with a 3.05 GPA. I struggled my first two years, so that always kept my GPA down a bit. Yet, after graduating I took Anatomy and lab. It was my toughest quarter so far, and I received an A and a B+. This is about where my level is in terms of academics...I was worried that I wouldn't be able to do so well in NYU's nursing program?? Anyone have any thoughts?

I'm hoping to get into the BS/MS dual degree program. I understand that they require a 3.0 GPA. I'm not too sure how tough the aBSN courses are, and how I would do...

I'd appreciate any feedback!! Thanks.

And if you don't mind, possibly share your undergrad GPA and current nursing GPA?

Thanks a bunch you guys!

Meant2BeRN712 · Jul 24, 2009

Hey All,

I am attending NYU this fall for the ABSN program. We are given the option to change our clinical placements. Anyone in or graduated from the program have suggestions?

Which borroughs? Which hopsitals would you suggest?

Thanks!

jlan79 · Jul 25, 2009

I will throw my 2 cents in here about why I chose NYU. I am a second degree student and a mother. I needed a program that would get me to BSN in the least amount of time and with least amount of bs. I was accepted to Adelphi, Molloy, NYU and Hunter (but not the nursing part yet). NYU was the ONLY school that made the whole process streamlined for the students like me, coming in with other degrees and without all the prerequisites completed. I could take all prereqs in one semester there and then start the ABSN portion. At a school like Molloy, I would be following a very weird track where I would only be able to take ONE COURSE in the first semester. It would take me forever to complete. Adelphi was not much better. And dealing with Hunter was like banging my head against the wall. I felt like a foreign spy trying to get the gov-t secrets. They couldn't evaluate my diploma until I told them I accepted their program. Couldn't tell me if the pre-req course I had to take at another school was the right one to take. Plus, who knew if I would be able to attend Hunter nursing anyway. In contrast, NYU was handing me everything on a platter and I was already in the nursing program. Any questions were always addressed right away and I felt like paying all that money was worth it for my peace of mind.

So my decision was based solely on the efficiency of the program. Yes, NYU name is great. My husband went to NYU and so did most of my friends. But in this case, it really is what you pay for. Do I think NYU puts out better RNs than any other school? Of course not. In fact, I would have much prefered a smaller class. BUT, I coudlnt' afford to play around with school for 3 years of more, I have a family to support.

guiltysins · Jul 26, 2009

I've heard NYU has a good program. A few of my friends did have a few problems with having lecture classes over 100 people. They said they felt it was on the level of most of the nursing programs in the city. Most people think that since NYU is an Ivy-league, it's difficult to get into and it's really not. If you have the money and a decent gpa of about 3.3 or 3.4, you have no problem getting in which is a lot different from the city community college which want 3.7 and 3.8's. Perhaps the NYU name does get you further than others in some professions but I don't think nursing is one of them. My friends are enrolled and have graduated from many different programs and when it came down it to they were more interested in the type of degree (some of them now want you to be enrolled in BSN programs if you have a diploma or ADN) your years of experience and licensure of course. I feel that the nursing programs in the city are pretty much all the same, graduates are prepared as much as they prepare themselves and that what school they went to really doesn't play a role in it.

Meant2BeRN712 · Jul 26, 2009

To jschomburg,

So you are currently enrolled in NYU's ABSN program? I am starting this fall and was wondering what clinical sites you suggest or would recommend? The instructors are allowing us to switch with other students. I'm from CA so I don't know much about the area and the hospitals.

Also, I mentioned I have a criminal background (petty theft when I was 18). I have been very upfront with the admissions directors about my situation and they can't guarantee I'll be accepted or denied by certain hospitals due to background checks. What hospitals did you do your clinicals?

I would appreciate any advice you have. I am super excited about starting the program, but anxious and nervous about the background checks.

Thanks again,

nursehopful12

pblgarcia · Sep 9, 2009

Hi all! I currently have a BA in another degree and is currently in an associate program. I read in NYU's website that if you hold a degree in another field and an RN with associate degree that you can apply to the MSN program. Is there anyone here going or gone through that route?

geminimoon · Apr 3, 2010

Im wondering how students got their tuition paid for?