Rapid Response

Specialties MICU

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12:19 pm by [COLOR=#003366]ready4nu

PMFB-RN, how did you go about becoming a rapid response nurse? What do you do during the time that there is no need for a rapid response?

We are a small group in my hospital. 5 of us full time with another 3 or 4 MICU and SICU RNs who are cross trained to cover for sick calls, vacation, etc.

Turn over is very low. Because of that we don't really try to train anyone to RRT, but rather look for and hire nurses who already have the skill set we are looking for. There are two main skill sets we are looking for. The first (and easiest to find) is clinical skills. We like nurses who have extensive background in critical care, at least 5 years adult ICU experience. In addition we like some ER and PICU experience 2 oe 3 years in each would be perfect. The best experience is transport nursing. I came to the job from a transport nursing job. Only one RRT RN has been hired since I got my job and they had everything we were looking for except peds experience and so, because she was such a great candidate otherwise, the hospital invested quite a bit of time in training her in PICU and peds ER. Obviously they would prefer not to do that.

We are required to stay current with BLS, ACLS (instructor and or ACLS for the experienced provider), PALS, NRP, Emergency Nurse Pediatric course, TNCC or ATCN, Fundamentals of Critical Care course, and the Physician's Advanced Airway Management course. We only take that once then maintain our intubation competency through a hospital course taught by our chief CRNA. We do 30 supervised intubations a year as part of that. All of us are instructors in several of the above. In addition we take a hospital based training program for the insertion of PICCs, arterial lines, IO's and IJ central catheters. Another job we do is run the SimMan lab for nurses and residents, teach "The First 5 Minutes" course to new RNs and teach RNs and residents to place IOs.

There is only one of us scheduled at night. Days shift has two RRT RNs scheduled 2 or 3 days a week and the extra RRT RN takes classes, teaches classes, runs SimMan labs for residents or nurses, teaches in the Critical Care Nurse Residency, etc. In addition we all have students, nurse residents, or new hire ICU & ER orientees with us nearly every shift.

When not on RRT calls we do a variety of jobs. We also check on all ICU transfers q4 for 24 hours, and check on all new admissions to the hospital, occasionally help out in one of the ICU's or ER, especially when there is a trauma team activation. of course since we nearly always have a nurse resident or student with us there is always teaching going on. In addition on nights we will do the skills test portion of ACLS and BLS for night shift nurses and residents. who renewed online. In addition to all that every night several of the attending physicians or NPs will give us sign out on any patients they are worried about and want us to "keep our eye on". This varies from one or two patient, to getting sign out on all the adult and peds patients for a whole medical or surgical service, depending on who the night resident is and how much the attending trusts them. We also get a lot of "hey can I run something by you", or "hey do you know how to..." and "I called the doctor and he is being a jerk, can you talk to him/her" calls from staff nurses. We will also get called on any combative patient. Every once in a while we get to sit with our feet up and do nothing except wait for the phone to ring! It sounds like a lot when I write it out but we are not a very big hospital.

I am not sure why they call us the Rapid Response Team. When an RRT is called all you get is one of us, not like a while team shows up.

In our health system we are called "Expanded Roll RNs". We have our own policies and standing orders that do not apply to any other nurses in the hospital.

The other thing we look for, and what is harder to find and teach than clinical skills, is a person who has the right interpersonal skills. We are often in the position of telling residents that their patient must be transferred to a higher level of care. We have a protocol that allows us to transfer to step down or ICU on our own without doctors orders, BUT, we are not supposed to do it unless we have to in order to protect the patient. We are supposed to help the residents "see the light" and transfer the patient themselves. We are often talking to attendings on the phone who are not expecting to get calls from nurses at night because they are supposed to have residents to deal with these things. That takes tact.

We also need a person who will not belittle, or be condescending to staff nurses when we get a call for something that seems stupid for us. We need nurses who are nurturing and will treat those calls as teachable moments. We need people who are VERY approachable by all staff who need our help or advice.

Because of the autonomy and higher pay we receive there is very little turn over of the RRT team.

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
PMFB-RN we round on our patients that were discharged from the ICU/CCU 24 hours after they leave the ICU/CCU. We do occasionally have some bounce back. Our issue is ER patients that come up and go to ICU right away.

We have the issue of ER patients being placed at an inappropriate level of care as well. Technically nobody can overrule the ER physicians on placement. However when the nursing supervisor gets a call for an admission that sounds fishy to her they will often call us and dispatch the RRT RN to the ER to assess the patient. If we agree with the nursing supervisor that the patient need a higher level of care than the ER physician is ordering we try to talk to the ER doc and explain why we think so. Usually the doc will change their mind after we talk to them. A few times they have insisted on inappropriate placement. (in every case it is one particular physician who is well known to be difficult to work with) When that happens I say fine, send them to med-surg. I will be standing there to take the patient and will immediately transfer to step-down or ICU as needed. Usually I get the admitting resident to see the light and they are ready to transfer the second the patient arrives on the floor. A few times I had to transfer on my own. That ALWAYS causes a headache for us (RRT RNs) with many people from doctors to nurse managers (none of whom were there to see the patient) questioning our decision to transfer without physician agreement. In each case when I have done that (I don't want to make it sound like it happens all the time, it doesn't. Just 2 or 3 times over 3-4 years) I found myself explaining myself to several layers of physician and nursing management. Trust me when you are defending your decision to chief of medical staff and the chief nursing officer your rational better be bullet proof. Hard to explain that I transferred a patient who's numbers didn't look that bad and whose VS were not way out of whack but who I was sure was going to "fall off a cliff" if not watched and managed very carefully. Being proven right by a patient who codes and dies isn't very comforting. Even worse when the patient does OK and I know they did OK only because they were in ICU and being watched and managed closely.

Every time I have transferred to a higher level of care on my own protocol either without cooperation from the physician, and in a few cases against the direct order of the doctor it sparks a discussion of removing that protocol from RRT. Apparently people at the very top are never quite willing to pull it from us in the end.

If anyone is wondering how I can transfer to ICU without a physician's order and how the patient gets doctors orders for care once in the ICU I should mention that our hospital has EICU in the ICUs and the EICU doctor takes over care as attending and writes orders on the patient we transfer as well as transfer orders. They do this regardless of who transfers the patient, another doctor or an RRT RN. In addition the RRT shares an office with the EICU physician on duty and we have a great relationship with them, vs the residents and attending's who may talk to them on the phone, or see them on the camera but will never meet them face to face. The EICU docs are all contractors and not part of the regular medical staff. They aren't afraid of stepping on toes.

Specializes in ICU.

Wow, that's fascinating. Our "rapid response" team is just the charge nurses in the ICUs and whatever ICU nurses are free at the time. There is no certification and no specialty skill set. It would be nice to work somewhere that treats RRT a little differently.

Our hospital is about 250 beds, 23 bed ICU and no Pediatric ICU. We have what is called a CAT team or critical assessment team. The ICU charge nurse has the beeper that is beeped by whatever unit is in crisis and the charge nurse dictates what ICU nurse would be best suited to respond. Of course this decision will depend on the nurses experience, ability to handle rapid challenges, critical thinking, clinical skills and also what is happening with our patients at the time. Example would be if my patient is actively declining and I'm attempting to prevent coding them, I would not be a good pick to send off the unit at that time to respond to the crisis.

Essentially this CAT team is designed to prevent people being brought to the ICU. We have a set of standing orders of things to be done and usually can prevent the person from coming back with us. Give some lasix, get the snake suction out, check an xray and ABG, get a Bipap, fluid bolus, get better access, get an albuterol and atrovent treatment, etc. This is as close to a Rapid Response Team we have.

Bluebolt,

I am just joining a rapid response team and I am looking to implement standing orders for the RRN's. I was wondering if you could send me the standing orders your hospital uses for the CAT so I can use those as a blueprint.

Hi I work at a large Tertiary Care Facility and I'm one of the members of the RRT, our scope of practice doesn't currently include advanced airway management or placement of invasive lines, but implementation of these services would be invaluable. I was wondering if you could tell me what hospital you work at?

I was handed a copy of this thread recently and am very interested in knowing more about the RRT programs you are involved in, especially yours PMFB-RN as it seems the most advanced. I am a member of an RRT program and we have been interested in comparing other programs of similar capacity,in order to grow ours. If any member of a dedicated RRT team is willing to get in touch, I would love to hear about your programs.

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