TriciaJ, RN 21,355 Views
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Are you in a work at will state? Or whatever it's called. Which means they can fire you without cause. Think about it. They can hire a new grad under this dubious contract, then fire him/her after 23 months. Oops. You owe us 10 grand. Now we can hire another new grad and get 23 months of work and 10 grand out of her. Great business model but not remotely legal.
I'm not remotely qualified to give legal advice, but I'm with Hppy. If it was me, I would not rush to pay them $10K. Certainly not in 60 days. Maybe in 60 years. Collections? That's just people bugging you on the phone. They can be told where to go. The hospital can take you to small claims court and maybe even get a judgement against you. But it's still up to them to figure out how to collect it.
Yes, I would play hardball. Doubtful there's a union at that hospital. But there is a state labour board. Please call them. I don't know how such a contract can be legal. If they had paid you a sign-on bonus and required you to pay it back, that would be one thing. But they get to fire you and then collect $10K? That's just laughable.
I would tell these dirt bags to fly a kite and let the chips fall where they may. But that's just me. I hope the lawyer gets back to you soon. Good luck and hang in there.
This reminds me a male nurse aid I worked with when I was on Med-Sur as an RN. When he had a female patient he didn't want to take care, he often reported me that the patient requested female staff only. I had to do tasks which could be done by a nurse aid on top of my duties (could be done by a nurse only) and it made my shift really difficult. It not just consumed my time, but I had to prioritize the tasks which were usually on the bottom of my list.
I understand some people have religious work restriction, but you have to consider consequences of it especially if it affects other team members excessively (I shared the story above to show an example even though it is not religion related.)
Are you saying something took it off as a prank?
You also had two patients on heparin gtts, and the other patient's was being discontinued. Is it possible that someone-- you or a coworker-- made a mistake by turning the wrong one off?
Maybe I'm being overly trusting, but I'd say the latter is more likely than the former. Anyway, write an incident report and hopefully the cause will be determined so it doesn't happen again.
First of all, it's very hard to read through your wall of text. I'm trying to understand what happened. Please spell out your abbreviations once for those of us who might not be familiar with them. We aren't always familiar with each other's abbreviations.
Are you saying 3 of your coworkers disconnected an important drip on your patient for a prank? Or was there some other rationale? This is a huge patient safety issue and you'll be complicit if you don't speak up.
My first response would be to write an incident report because it is an incident. Then I'd request a meeting with the nurse manager. Depending on how that goes, I'd consider getting out of that particular contract, if I could. Unless I'm completely misreading your post. Let us know how it turns out.
Hppy, I have no experience with monitoring programs so I don't know if my input has any value. I read your post and it does seem like a well thought-out plan. I was appalled when you said it could cost up to $50,000 to get one's career back. Maybe there are times when that is warranted, but you're right. A one-size-fits-nobody system certainly does need to be overhauled.
Good luck with fostering some necessary changes.
Hmmm, I think there is a difference between "looking for bullies" and "observing my environment."
In terms of "bullying" and its definition, I tend to reference the APA for context:
"Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior in which someone intentionally and repeatedly causes another person injury or discomfort. Bullying can take the form of physical contact, words or more subtle actions.
The bullied individual typically has trouble defending him or herself and does nothing to "cause" the bullying."
I will say though, at the end of the day, it boils down to semantics. I will not discredit someone else's experience with bullying based on my own subjective definition of it.
And, I don't think me stating that I would stick up for myself (or others) against bullying therefore makes me a bully, but again, that's just my perception of the situation.
I think perhaps some previous posters were correct in that it may have been an environmental situation and cultural norm at the hospital where I worked.
And, as I've stated, it wasn't ALL nurses, but it was quite a few (and from the feedback I've received from other people in other facilities, it wasn't just tied to where I was located).
If my post came across as negative, it may be because this is a negative topic and there really is no nice way to sugarcoat the caustic behavior of adults that brings forth negative impact towards other adults.
It was in no way condemning all of nursing though.
It was more inquisitive in nature, asking how many others have experienced this and if it was part of the possible burn out of nurses, and how they've handled it.
I am one of those ones who could run circles around most RNs. The last hospital setting I worked at, I did a better job than they did without all the complaining that they loved to bask in. Miserable at home or whatever. they created a misery in crowd, and if you stayed positive and away from them, then they decide they hate you and team up against you. They realized this and openly created a hostile work environment for me. I say, yes, make that RN NCLEX challenging and I will take it and pass on the first try. No doubt the RNs who had the money from parents or wealthy spouses to afford to go through 2 years of school instead of 1 year are hostile to this idea and their egos will be assailed at the notion. Others will make up stories about how they donated blood to pay their way through RN school, or starved or lived off of cheese sandwiches for 2 years or ate lint off the carpet to get through RN school, but even when true, they are the exception, not the rule. Never think for a second that 1 extra year of being a psychotic bookworms translates into you being more intelligent than a good LPN. For that matter, I have a total of 10 years of college under my belt, my first Masters degree in secondary education didn't pan out, I got an associates degree in a different field that I found repetitive and boring, so by the time I waited to get into the LPN program, I was burned out with school, writing dazzling research papers, etc and had no desire as i grew older to work FT and go to school. So never let that RN title get to your head. Some of us could challenge that exam and meet or excel most of the RNs who like to carve out their ego driven territory and vehemently protest and harass anyone who can cross it.
And thank you for not trashing us and our whole profession because it didn't turn out to be the right thing for you. I admire your ability to keep going and find your path and I know you will be a great PA. And not just because you know personally "how the other half lives".
Congratulations on your new career!
I can't improve on the above advice. I do want to say if you like medical TV programs, watch them for entertainment purposes only. They NEVER portray nurses in a realistic light. Not even close.
I'm wishing you all the best on your chosen career path.
Tell me one thing a petition on change.org has actually changed.
You have friends and family who are nurses? And they're all bullies? Or all victims? Or a combination? If you think you should give the profession a swerve, you're probably right.
Does the National Board of Nursing even exist? I've never heard of them. They don't have a website. There is a National Council of State Boards of Nursing. Maybe when you start a petition you should at least know whom it is you're petitioning.
This whole thing is hard to take seriously. Did some bored troll start this up to make life interesting? Otherwise, I'm going to petition to be an NP. I've been a nurse over 30 years. What could go wrong?
It probably would have helped if the doctor had come on board and explained to the family why it was in the patient's best interests to have her questions answered honestly. Obviously the family believed their mother's healing would have been impeded by knowledge of her husband's death. It would have been helpful if a family meeting could have been arranged with the doctor and the hospital chaplain to hear the family's concerns and present some alternative viewpoints.
I'm sure the lady figured it out when no one answered her questions. The uncertainly was probably just as bad (or worse) than receiving the news.
I thought it was a dilemma until I read that your coworkers at your full time job are bailing like rats off a sinking ship and asking you why you don't grab the escape route available. That speaks volumes. Your full time place of employment must suck indeed.
I like the advice you got from several others to just switch to per diem at your current job and keep a foot in the door. You are very smart to look at long term goals (like state retirement) and not just run yourself into the ground for the fast money. I've said this many times: you can't buy your life back.
Only one thing: did you say you were in the process of obtaining BSN and your current employer was covering tuition for you? What would happen to that?
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