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  • Jul 20 '13

    Quote from RNitis
    "But, I decided that it was too much risk to go to school and get a degree in a field where it's difficult to find a job."

    Really?!?! Definitely DO NOT go into nursing. It took me TWO years, my relationship with my boyfriend taxed and over, home in foreclosure, my car on its last leg, and $70,000 in student loans for me to find a nursing job (and pays at $7.50 less an hour than starting rate for new RN's."
    Well, that's your experience, and I'm sincerely sorry you had such a bad one.

    On the other hand, some of us had a relatively easy nursing school experience, found a decent job shortly after graduating and are finically stable.

    The OP shouldn't base his/her decision on your personal experience. Or my personal experience, for that matter.

    I totally agree that the nursing shortage is a myth. And the perception that new nurses will be beating back the recruiters with a stick is has done a lot of new grads a lot of harm. But let's not over exaggerate here. Nursing is still a fine career choice with lots of potential and a great return in terms of investment when it comes to comparing cost of education to compensation.

    Just because it isn't the super cool flight nurse or L & D nurse job right out the gate dosent mean it's not a good career. Of course the reality is disappointing when compared to the ideal. No ideal has ever, ever withstood the truth of reality. And it's probably the "nursing is my heart's desire" crowd that get hit the hardest by this, sadly.

  • Jul 20 '13

    Quote from dove01
    A nurse is suppose to care about his/her patients. of course it's good pay, but helping others is also important.
    I bet you wouldn't want me taking care of you either since I went into nursing for the pay. It doesn't matter to you that I get more compliments on how much I care from patients and patient family members than my coworkers, or that they tell me they really felt like I respected them and treated them as people and not conditions. Caring about money does NOT equal not caring about people... you can want the money and care at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive.

    OP, I'd say shadow a nurse. You never know, you may end up liking things that you didn't think you'd like.

  • Jul 20 '13

    Quote from dove01
    A nurse is suppose to care about his/her patients. of course it's good pay, but helping others is also important.
    Right, because it's only the nurses who had a dream/calling/passion/angelic visitation from Florence Nightingale who're the ones that care about their patients and provide good care. Got it.

  • Jul 20 '13

    I want to point out that there's many places a nurse can work that are not a hospital. Students and pre-students think all nurses work in a hospital for some reason.

    You say you're interested in nutrition and mental health. There's lots of nursing jobs in those fields.

    If you really don't like the idea of being a nurse, then it's rather obvious you shouldn't be one. But I question if you understand what a nurse really does.

    Not liking something and not being passionate about something are two different things. I like being a nurse, but it's not passion. It's not "in my heart" (whatever that means). To say you have to be passionate about nursing in order to be a good nurse is false. Of course I do it for the money. I provide a skilled service in exchange for appropriate compensation. That's what a nurse does. Let's not get too mushy here.

  • Jul 18 '13

    I fully disagree, it's more times than not the fault of unions that drive the cost of doing business so high that layoffs, shutdowns, cost increases and bankruptcies are inevitable. Case in point are all the public employees in California whose benefit costs exceed the salaries they were paid while working. I don't have any union brothers and sisters and wouldn't ever want any. There was a point in time when unions made sense but everything I see now days from unions is not good and closer to communism than I care to be.

    It strikes me as odd that the union argument centers around not getting paid enough to do a job thereby preventing union employees from providing for their families. One of the things they'd like to provide is a better education for their kids who then, in turn, will have the opportunity to enter into management or ownership of businesses. Why do you want to send your kids to college? If they do go they will ironically be spat upon, cussed at and have their lives threatened when they show up during strikes to keep the businesses open so that union workers will have a job to go back to. Yes, I'm a little biased. Yes, I've seen first hand how union employees conduct themselves during strikes...I wouldn't want a single one back. It's disgusting the behavior they portray and then want the companies to treat them as valued employees afterwards.

    I certainly think in the case of nursing hospitals make poor decisions financially but you can't have it both ways. You can't scream for a benefit bonanza for everyone, allow them to not pay fair market prices for services and then expect hospitals to be profitable. It simply won't happen and people will lose their jobs. Unionizing them solves nothing...making lousy employees and great ones get the same pay and protect their jobs won't make anyone happy. I don't know what the answer may end up being but I certainly know it's not unions.

  • Jul 17 '13

    I think this is a load of oop:! In my opinion, I believe it is next to impossible for a nurse with a valid license to get unemployment due to the many areas that a nurse can go into; whether those areas are hiring or not. Why play with people's lives like that? If I were (or was? still have trouble with that one...) a laid-off nurse, that would be considered a bridge burned as far as I'm concerned! If they did it once, they will do it again. Hopefully, those doing the lay-offs are in possession of some sort of skills or have a license lying around collecting dust. They are going to need them if they are waiting for me to come back.

  • Jul 16 '13

    Quote from Getting To Great
    I work as a Nurse Tech, and I absolutely hate it! It burns you out and makes you hate too come to work to deal with that 12 hour shift. Some of the nurses I work with are beginning to hate being a nurse due to that fact that they feel over work and under paid.
    They absolutely should feel overworked and underpaid. Nursing in my local has a $22/hr starting pay but it's about a $33/hr responsibility even for a new-grad. I quit nursing school, and one of the reasons, aside from the fact that I find motherhood insulting and repulsive, is that the culture of nursing always expects you to do things gratis and kill yourself for your patients and your job. It takes altruism too far, imo. Honestly, women who work in manufacturing and finance and tech and engineering are not treated like stupid mules the way that nurses are.

    Nurses need to stop letting patients and administrators heap ever more work on them. I worked in business and manufacturing and engineering before I tried nursing. Nurses are fools to let themselves be worked like rented mules. Learn how to say No. Learn how to say "That is an unreasonable amount of work to expect me to get done in one shift, and I am going home now. Here's what didn't get done. See ya tomorrow." MAKE them staff correctly, by refusing to do the extraordinary every day. Do you think that the beancounters respect you for being too accommodating and servile. No, they don't. If you do more, they will just see that you can be exploited to do more and more, and when they ruin your back and your health, they will just bring in some young and foolish new grad and push you aside.

  • Jul 14 '13

    I heard that the unemployment rate for teenagers is close to 50 percent, although many of them would like to be working.

    Can you not advertise for a teenaged babysitter on Craigslist? Many teenaged girls are mature, responsible honor students who would love to earn some extra cash through babysitting. Prior to hiring someone like this, request to see her transcripts and require her to have a drivers license so transportation will not be a last-minute issue.

    Many girls in this age range would be happy to accept $75 to $100 per week for babysitting because it sure beats a part-time fast food gig.

  • Jul 4 '13

    Quote from tewdles
    Wow...do you generally make those kind of assumptions when you are working too?
    I disagree with you and so I, and those who think like me are "what's wrong with America" and an insult to our military??? It's not because you disagree with me. It's because you represent a line of thinking that generally goes against the ideas of freedom and liberty that this country is founded on.

    Really? Cuz, see it is not people like me who want to make it more difficult or possibly impossible for the poor and working classes to get a piece of the American Dream. It's people like you who support the idea of forcing Americans, under threat of fines and/or imprisonment, to give their hard earned money away. Americans should be free to spend their money how they choose. How many Americans would rather donate to a charity that helps the poor than pay higher taxes into a corrupt and mismanaged system? I support a free environment in which everyone is able to succeed or fail according to his/her own talents/skills.
    It is not people like me who support draconian policy which puts government in charge of women's reproductive health issues. With government run healthcare who do you think will be in charge of reproductive and other health issues? I want people to be in charge of their own lives.
    It is not people like me who are anxious for the wealthy corporations to pay as little tax as possible while the majority of wage earners pay for those corporate entitlements. You seem to support a political party who claims to be for the mifddle class and the poor. Yet you fail to see how much they have done in the last century to make things more difficult for these groups. Your ignorance helps keep this party in power. Read the book titled The Forgotten Man.
    It is not people like me who want workers to be flexible enough to work without benefit of overtime. An employer and employee should be free to work out an agreement that suits both of them without having to be burdened by government overregulation. People like you support unions who force their way into this relationship enacting rules, for example, that may prevent an honest worker form getting a job because the employer can't fire an unproductive employee to open up a position
    It is not people like me who devise processes that disenfranchise voters and require that citizens wait in lines for hours just to vote Do you support the need for proof of citizenship in order to vote, or do you suport the current system in which anyone can scam their way into a voting booth?
    It is not people like me who believe that 47% of the country are lazy, unmotivated takers. This is a reference to Mit Romeny, he has likely created more jobs in his career than Obama has, also has given more to charity. He has done more to help that 47% than Obama has. So he makes an off comment, you haven't?
    It is not people like me who believe we should cut SS and Medicare in order to preserve our corporate welfare. Didn't Obama make a huge cut to medicare this year? I'm not 100% sure on this issue so you may have me there.

    I am quite certain that quite a number of people who died for this country and who are currently serving disagree with you on some points as well, and may even agree with ME...are they also the worst and an insult? You have a point, I consider them part of the problem as well, if they blindly follow the liberal mantra as you seem to do.

    Geesh.
    Yes indeed, geesh !

  • Jun 21 '13

    I wish I could open a business in which I investigated, and reported citizens for fraud. Medicare/Medicaid/SSI/Disability/ Food Stamps.....you name it.

    As a society, we have become dependant upon our government for everything (not everyone, of course). There are young people fully capable of working a job (might not be the job they want, or pay they need, but its the job they qualify for) who live off us taxpayers. While our elderly (who couldn't work if they wanted to), live off pennies a month. Its utterly embarrassing and disgusting.

    Im speaking from my personal experiences. Not trying to step on any toes, or start an argument. ...just wondering if such a business could exist? The government doesn't seem interested in doing anything but GIVING our hard earned dollars AWAY.

    Does anybody know if this could be a legit business? Investigating and reporting government fraud?

  • Jun 12 '13

    Lets be honest..RN's don't deal with poop as much. They do but not like cnas and lvns

  • Jun 12 '13

    Quote from HeyNurse09
    It's awesome to read these posts stating that docs help out. I don't work in a hospital yet but it's nice to know that they will help you out if you ever need it. That's good team work!!!
    This post is somewhat tangential but...

    1) Your mileage may vary... it wasn't this way at my last two jobs.

    2) Age seems to contribute to a degree and the playing field is more leveled with many of the younger docs. I describe it as a chain relationship with the doc as the first link rather than a hierarchical one. There are some newbie weenie-docs and some seasoned teddy-bear docs but I generally find the newer versions to be more helpful.

    3) Some nurses play a large role in creating the kind of doc-nurse chasm that limits helpfulness... either by being less-than-helpful when they're able to or even overtly unfriendly... especially to med students and newbie docs.

    I think it's pretty safe to say that when you come across a very nurse-friendly doc, there are some nurses at the academic centers where docs trained whose ground work in doc-training is paying dividends.

    I am quite mindful that I am training 'my' residents how to work well with nurses... and in so doing, prepping the med students who are often with them.

    Here's a simple example that pops quickly to mind: A medicine intern from another service was rotating through the ED. After he dropped orders, I caught him and quietly said, "Do you want to order a troponin, too? They usually do." He replied, "Oh, yeah... I was going to." The point is, rather than waiting for it get caught by the attending - or to out him in front of the attending - I discretely covered for him. Don't you suppose that he walked out of the department with a positive attitude toward the nursing staff? Don't you suppose that I laid down a stone in this guys journey toward being a nurse-friendly doc?

    I go out of my way to be helpful to the docs. Regardless of whether it's my patient or my responsibility, I will gather supplies for them, pull meds for them, fetch things for their patients, help hold things, whatever.

    We are a team and it goes both ways... and the docs from other services are guests in our department, no interlopers.

    I'm no doormat but I actively work to strengthen doc-nurse relationships... perhaps that's why I'm sometimes surprised to hear some nurses share negative interactions with some of the docs.

  • Jun 11 '13

    To me, I don't understand the mentality of these guys...or the women. If a guy doesn't care enough about them to allow them to protect their health, then no self-respecting woman should have sex with them and if it's a deal-breaker, then so be it.

    If I was the girl, I wouldn't care.

    So many guys think that HIV is what they have to worry about (yet few actually know someone with it), so they think the chances are less. HSV is what they really need to worry about...I have lost count of those cases.

  • Jun 10 '13

    I would sacrifice the lack of knowledge about what nurses do for a general public education program about healthcare in general and ways to prevent coming to the ED to save the country money. Oh whats that, you dont give your kid tylenol after having a fever all day because it is OUR job ( and you cant afford it yet you have your cigarettes you have gone out to smoke 5 times so far)? Oh you want to drink your mega super jug of soda while you sit here telling me you have N/V/D abd pain? You want to yell at me because you didnt get admitted for "pain" control while you sit laugh jump around the room? Give me a break.

    Please lets educate people how to take care of themselves first. THEN I will take the time to explain what I or other nurses actually do.

  • Jun 4 '13

    Surprised that so many of you STILL couldn't hold back your insistence that OP MUST learn to deal with poop despite her very clear and decent expression of her strong desire to avoid it.

    OP, infusion clinics are certainly an option but I feel like home health would get you more hands on with frequent and varied assessments. Someone mentioned radiology areas (like interventional radiology, cath lab, nuclear medicine, but definitely not endoscopy haha)... these are also great but they'd probably like you to get your ACLS. It's not a huge hurdle, just giving you a heads up. A few people mentioned informatics but my understanding is that you're not getting anywhere in that without an advanced degree and that's not going to inform your future NP practice anyway.

    Again to address the non-believers, there are PLENTY of direct care nursing careers that should reasonably expect to not encounter poop. I began listing them but erased it because most I believed wouldn't actually help OP with her intent to get the broad and in-depth knowledge she's looking for.


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