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Hi! Thanks for checking out my page. I've been a member of allnurses since Apr 8th, '11. I have no blogs or journals to follow, but you are welcome to find me on the threads I follow, where I love humor and silliness to counter the seriousness of life. Feel free to chime in. Currently work PD/Geriatrics.

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  • 1:28 am

    I am sure I've done something similar.

    At pain clinic many years ago I had a dear older lady who reeked of perfume. I told her how lovely she smelled but that I had allergies, if she wouldn't mind skipping it during her visits with us.

    It worked, but golly, whoo it was super strong.

  • 1:27 am

    I once had a patient and went to do her IV and I said "you must own a lot of cats" and she laughed and said yes how did I know. I responded "I can smell them" My friend who worked in Transport was there and still gives me grief about telling the patient she smelled like a cat lady. I didn't even realize how bad it sounded until after.

    So OP feel better knowing that you were looking out for your patient and other residents. Me, I was just considered an arse!

  • 1:25 am

    Quote from sunny time
    do you think she just blurted out " pee you it stinks in here someone needs deorderant" come on give the girl some credit.
    I do not know who you are addressing. If you are responding to a post use the quote option on the post so the conversation can be followed.

  • 1:24 am

    Quote from Amaretto
    I am a nursing student. This was a little frightening to read. Aren't nurses suppose to educate their patients and isn't hygiene something that is assessed aswell???? If someone is lacking hygiene, isn't it in the best interest of the patient to educate them since you're charting their hygiene? Or do you chart and just not talk about certain things because it's not socially correct? Yikes 😬 Better learn on here before going into the real world. Have a great day everyone!
    Always remember that you are hearing one side of the story and you didn't hear the actual exchange. Some people, even with the best intentions, are misread by families.

    I have had conversations about hygiene after speaking to my management. I once had an entire family that had to be de-bugged due to pervasive lice....we even had to fumigate the waiting area and throw out furniture from head and body lice.

  • 1:23 am

    Quote from Jedrnurse
    He was pushed!!!
    Ok this made me snort lol

  • Apr 27

    IMO, the OP has valid reason for feeling very hard done by..
    After all, if she showed up rank with BO, she'd be confronted about it.

    Having made that plain, I think that given the 'sensitivity'..
    & unpleasant fall-out that this caused, it serves as exemplar
    on being 'professionally caring' in these matters..

    I 'd have asked for the daughter/s to 'help' their mother,
    explaining that in your role as nurse, it is incumbent on
    you to help 'preserve dignity' for all patients in your care,
    & that mother's 'lively aroma' was despite washes,
    still causing an issue, that they could help with..

    ..& not for you personally, of course, since nurses are
    immune to any & all odours the human condition presents..

    ..but that others had expressed concern that cares were not
    being properly provided, despite your having certain knowledge
    that they had indeed been fully carried out..

    The cognitive dissonance shown by the family as anger - at
    the realisation that others know their mother is a 'stinker'
    is a not uncommon response,
    & for sure - your manager is wrong in hanging you up to swing..

    I'd consider reporting the boss for conduct unbecoming too,
    to the nursing board - if you're gonna cut your losses..

  • Apr 26

    I actually did mention that maybe there was something wrong causing the order and why nothing was helping it. But so many people just seem so focused on how "out of line and offensive" the nurse was. Boggles my mind.

  • Apr 26

    An issue that has not been mentioned is the possible cause of the body odor. Many diagnoses are accompanied by body odors i.e. diabetes, wound infections, bladder infections, high fevers,PID. kidney failure, pneumonia, and fungal infections (I almost fainted when one of my brothers took his shoes off in my house) like athlete's foot. Because he was my brother I could tell him what to do, drag him to the drugstore and he was rid of the smell in a few days.
    There is also the matter of stress. What patient in a hospital isn't having stress?

    By addressing the deodorant you were not adressing the illness or stress that is likely causing it. It is like suggesting a bandaid for a broken leg. By suspending you your superiors are showing that they don't know how to handle the situation either.

    I worked for 30 years in Home Health and never ignored an odor. The team of nurses I worked with trained our Home Health Aides to report to us any odors that persisted after a bath or shower or recurred or got worse after a few days. We would enroll the patient in a conversation by explaining that an odor can be very useful in making a diagnosis. Then they don't feel like they are being accused of being dirty but are being brought into trying to dicover the cause of the problem. Once the patient is enrolled in the conversation then you can ask had they noticed it, when they first noticed it, what have they tried to do to help themselves, what worked and what didn't, had they mentioned it to their doctor, did anyone in your family mention it etc?

    During my divorce 30 years ago, I was working in an office with an amzing nurse. Everyday she would talk to me about the stress I was under. One day my armpits were soaked and she said that I was probably a lot more stressed out than I thought I was. Really? That's when she asked me about my body odor.
    I didn't notice that there was any. Then she explained that sweat was removing toxins from my body (I knew that) and it was OK for sweat to smell but not so good at work. A conversation followed in which she encouraged me come up with 3 stress reducing activities. In addition to my 2 showers a day, before and after work, I would take a long bath with a good book each night. I would join a nearby gym and swim laps for a half hour a day 3 x a week . And I would cut back on coffee and caffeine all day and switch to natural fruit drinks. Last I would bring an extra uniform to work so that if I had an episode of the sweats I could change. She put me in charge of my odor and I resolved it with her support.

    I urge every health care worker to use body odor as a tool to the cure and treat it with the same kindness you would treat any other symptom.

  • Apr 26

    Quote from Emergent
    I would never in a million years criticize a patient or family member for their personal hygiene. Believe me, working in the ER I'm exposed to some very ripe folk.

    If people don't know about bathing and deodorant by now, they are extremely socially challenged. There are ads on TV up the yin-yang. My kids became shower obsessed in middle school without any prompting from me, social pressure was totally sufficient.

    You made a serious faux-pas there. If you were a school nurse helping a clueless student, that would be a different story.
    Knowlege does not always translate into action and just because the patient may know to use deodorant the facts are she still had offensive odor! The patient nurse relationship had been established and as the nurse it is your duty to address health problems.Her bad odor is most likely related to a current problem. I don't believe the patient was criticized and the nurse was just trying to help.I am sick to death of everyone being so hypersensitive and blowing everything out of proportion.Suspension is overkill and managements response is ridiculous.Nurses simply can't do their jobs anymore because they are walking around on eggshells.I can't even say anything when I am verbally attacked .A patient's daughter told me to shut the F up and do my job and I had to defend my actions.There is no more support for nurses in many facilitues because of the fear of low patient satisfaction scores and that equates to less money.So there you have it...THE ALMIGHTY BUCK!.

  • Apr 26

    I would've just snuck in some other deodorant that is known to be effective and some nice body soap and stuck it in the toiletry basin nonchalantly, when no one looking

  • Apr 26

    Quote from Flatline
    Something about good intentions...

    Keep in mind the family did not get her suspended, they simply voiced concern and the facility saw fit to suspend her.
    Oh believe me, just based off the information I have (since it's only one side) I think a suspension is absurd.

    I am however surprised by a lot of these responses and criticism on the nurse. She was put in a very uncomfortable situation but tried to do what was best for the patient and the other residents of the long term care facility. She had tried to solve the problem on her own. It didn't work. Family was bringing in personal hygiene products, so she talked to her daughters about maybe changing brands. Embarrassing? Absolutely! Awkward, uncomfortable. You betcha. Necessary? I would have to say yes based off the information given. If the facts presented are accurate and correct and I was in charge, I would have had my nurses back. But I would have done it in a way that deescalated the situation by making the resident and family feel heard, but also letting them understand better the intent.

  • Apr 26

    Quote from FolksBtrippin
    You went about the BO problem the wrong way. The BO problem is the nurse's responsibility in LTC, not the family's.

    The family had a right to confront you about it if their mom smelled bad. You really did not have a right to confront them about it.

    Again, if a nursing home patient smells bad, it's the responsibility of nursing home staff, and ultimately the nurse. I'm tempted to say "fault" here, but I really dislike that word.

    So, while your punishment seems harsh, perhaps it's not just because you offended the family. Maybe it's also because you failed to take responsibility for the fact that the patient smelled.

    Take some time to reflect.

    I wish you the best.
    The family was the one bringing in the personal hygiene products, which is why the nurse went to speak to them about it, to maybe try a different type. The nurse had already tried to remedy it and find solutions.

  • Apr 26

    Quote from Emergent
    I would never in a million years criticize a patient or family member for their personal hygiene. Believe me, working in the ER I'm exposed to some very ripe folk.

    If people don't know about bathing and deodorant by now, they are extremely socially challenged. There are ads on TV up the yin-yang. My kids became shower obsessed in middle school without any prompting from me, social pressure was totally sufficient.

    You made a serious faux-pas there. If you were a school nurse helping a clueless student, that would be a different story.

    Except you're talking about a resident in a LTC facility. Imagine the ripe patients we get in the ER and them having to stay there everyday. The nurse bathed the patient and tried to rectify the problem. When the family brought in supplies she tried to talk to the family about the issue to come up with a solution.

    I truly don't see what the nurse did wrong. This is a patient that is there long term not a day or two. If it were my family member and this was in issue I would want to know so I could help solve the problem. I don't want my mom being known as the stinky one of the nursing home and also maybe there is something wrong causing the problem to that extent where nothing is helping.

  • Apr 26

    COB here.

    I've had similar conversations over the years without suspension. In this case, I probably would have addressed the resident's BO, and a request for another type of deodorant with one daughter, though, rather than having a group discussion, which seems that it resulted in all-around embarrassment. I do agree with other posters who have said that resident hygiene is the ultimate responsibility of care staff.

    In the olden days, we would give Cepacol mouthwash baths to new admits in the ICU if they were particularly ripe-smelling.

    Did you receive a written notice of suspension with the reasons? If not, you want to request a copy of whatever has been placed in your employment file related to this situation.

    As well, if there also are additional comments regarding your conversation with the administrator about the glitches in the new computer program, or your communication style, then you will have a better idea of your standing.

    An employer who values employees will offer remediation, not just discipline (suspension), in order to improve work performance to their standards, whatever these may be.

    Otherwise, this response on their part is arbitrary, dependent on which way the wind is blowing that day. "Customer service" does sometimes cancel out common sense.

  • Apr 26

    You know that commercial for deodorant that says "stress sweat smells worse than ordinary sweat" That is absolutely true. People who are in the hospital are in an uncomfortable situation, may have trouble taking care of their personal care and consequently extra body odor is not unusual. You could certainly have been more diplomatic in how you addressed it with the patient and family but I'm surprised you were suspended over it