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is their any dignity and respect for the care giver i learnt you give and you get get back from an early age.but this days you giv and giv and all you get is complaints from humans whos been taught from an early age to be curtious?????????.mostly the haredst part in dealing with this angels with broken wings is we give grace .practice code off conduct and still its not enough..we get judge an told how it is to do our job because off the google it nurse or google it doctor experience n most complaints comes from your own co workers visiting their parent or friend.. then they say you i am anurse to and this how you should this ..and that is how that should be done..so i am suppose to throw out my policies and follow wat the visitor nurse is saynig so that we dont upset her feelings....huh helppppppppppppppppppppppp???????????????????????
why not give individual exams like 6 of them on the nursing subjects once passed give the credit and move right along if your already and lpn at least for one year or more ,what about credit for experience .why does an lpn with ten years of experience have to go back to the class room they have earned enough on the floor to to test out outright and earned the as degree. or be qualified to take the nclex cut out that middle man given the chance they will most lpn with experience are very qualified to test out the nclex then if they go back to school it will be for the bsn.
my reply on his site, doubt it will be posted:
"As it is now, the hope for replacing our quickly-retiring nurses and clinical instructors hinges on a bet that at least some of the new nursing graduates will fill in that gap."
No, you will still have to pay your dues by working for at least a year as a med-surg nurse, and then branch into some other areas, such as ICU or ER, to make yourself more experienced at the bedside. Then, you'll have to take a full-time job somewhere to establish a bit of seniority and continuously play kiss-the-butt of the one person in charge (before they get reassigned/fired) who can give you that "leadership" position that you feel you deserve based on your years of college and mortgage paying ability...good luck...
nurses don't eat just their young, but the old ones too...
ADN's take the same boards and do the same work as BSN prepared nurses. It is simply a different way to get your RN license. The ADN offers a cheaper way to get working faster and then if you want to move on to a BSN you can get some tuition reimbursement, most places only pay maybe $2,000 a year if that, except for the military or VA. I've heard the VA actually pays $8,000 more if you have your BSN and also will pay for you to get your BSN. Also VA and military offer student loan repayment options to help you get out of debt.
Some people do the ADN because it is quicker or cheaper. A person has many options these days from public school, tech school to private non-profit and for-profit options. It's up to you how you want to become an RN.
Also many ADN's have college experience, even bachelors in another field. In response to this reality many colleges are offering accelerated BSN programs to those with another degree or even the direct entry RN to MSN option if you want to be a NP or educator or manager.
The reason we have so many options is because our job is in demand and will remain in demand giving the demographics of baby boomers retiring. At the moment there may not be alot of jobs available in certain regions if you are a new grad but over the long term this is a job that will remain in demand and it is not easily outsourced. Sure you can bring in nurses from other countries, but you have to pay for travel and recruiting costs.
I think the ANA is misguided by putting so much emphasis on getting rid of the ADN degree. Instead they would better serve us by fighting for safe working conditions such as no mandatory overtime, fair patient ratios, mandating a no lift environment, the equipment is available but the political will is not there to make it possible at this time. Madpeys why did it take an act of Congress to get safe needles in most hospitals to protect us from HIV and hepatitis when they were available for over 10 years!
I'm interested in safety, fair safe working conditions not in a label of "professional". It means nothing to me if I have to work in unsafe and dangerous working conditions as a staff RN. I'm not going to give the ANA money so that can make it harder to get a job and force people to end up further in debt with student loans rather than protecting the RN's on the job.
National Nurses United were the ones that helped get the safe staffing ratios in California and I believe there was a bill for safe no-lift environment but that Gov Schwarzeneger vetoed it when he was in power because the poor hospitals would have to pay for lift equipment.
I'd rather support a national union that would advance the issues that matter to me, not the ANA that wants to insult me for have an ADN not a BSN after my name. I'd go back to school if it was payed for and I knew I'd be paid more for being a BSN. But there is no hospital in my area that pays any more for a BSN except the VA and since I don't work for them it makes no sense for me to spend the time and money to get a BSN.
You seem to be so hung up on the label of BSN and professional. but you will find there are many RN's with an ADN they'll be working alongside of you and probably paid the same.
On the otherhand I do encourage the new, younger RN's to consider a BSN because it will give you an edge for different jobs and allow you to go on to be NP if you so desire. Many of the newer nurses move on and get their NP and MSN because of the poor working conditions at the bedside. BSN helps pave the way! So I'm not against it, but please don't insult the many RN's that chose another way (ADN or diploma) to get their license. We have to pass the same boards, we have the same license, we do the same jobs and we are as professional as any other RN.
Rather than just a BSN, if a RN wants to advance her knowledge their are many specialty certifications such as CCRN or PCCN that can be obtained.
I seem to remember the free, unpaid internships, were meant for HS students, and college students trying to get real world experience in their chosen field. When did a free internship mean graduated, college graduates, who need to start a paying job to pay back their student loans?
Student nurses of America, listen up: unite under the Student Nurses Associations, and fight the overproducing of student nurses who cannot find a job. I would even seek out an attorney and sue the schools where you attended, for false advertising.
It is all over the place that there is a, "nursing shortage", and nurses are needed in droves". This kind of advertising does nothing but put false hopes in potential students, and is flooding the market. The same thing happened in "IT" in the 80's. Then employers decided that Americans wanted to be paid too much, fired all of the American Workers, and then brought in from overseas, and hired, Indian IT workers in their place.
This happened to a good friend in New Jersey. He stiill hasn't found a job and he has been umemployed for over 2 years.
Folks, don't let it happen in nursing. We MUST UNITE under the National Nurse United, and become a force to be reckoned with. It will be our downfall if we don't.
The PTB are already "grooming" the public to accept HS dropouts to provide their professional care. It will get worse until we no longer exist. Just think about it- Beauticians need a professional license to cut hair, teachers have Masters degrees, they are not being being drummed out of existence by HS dropouts. That is because teachers are united under a national union. We need to be too.
Don't believe me, just look at this listserve. Look at who is in your doctors's office- Medical Assistants. They are allowed to do ANYTHING, the doctor lets them. And most of them are too stupid to know any better.
Nursing homes have "medication assistant", passing medications. That is a professional nursing responsibility!
Wise up folks, roll up your sleeves, and prepare to fight!
JMHO and myNY $0.02.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Somewhere in the PACNW
HH all run millions of ads promising all kinds of work. They hire you and you get a few hours a week for a couple weeks, then nothing. Not to mention their asinine screening processes which are not required, nor to mention the vast amount of billing fraud they send out.
I think it should be illegal. Just think of potential for abuse.
If I may ad to my post above, PTs, OTs, Pharmacists, etc, ALL do internships after graduation. These programs sacrificed hands on school work for classrooom education, increased their entry into practice, and added a mandatory internship after graduation. They have far more clout, control, and are paid more than nurses. Their national organization, hold strict controls over who and how many, new members are allowed into programs each year. They have not allowed their practice to be flooded with new members, who are seen as unable to practice right after graduation, they are not resented, but welcomed into practice.
Did PT, OT, Pharmacists, allow unpaid internships for their new members? Absolutely not. They are paid for their time, considered a valuable member of the staff, and flourish.
Compare that to nursing. What is wrong with Nursing? Everything. Our nursing "leaders" are beholden to hospitals, and nursing homes. They jump when they are "told what to do". They allow nurses to be walked all over, and then trashed. They do not in any way support the nurses they claim to represent. They WILL be the cause of the destruction of the nursing profession. They have allowed our professional practice to be sold to the highest bidder.
Several years ago, on this listserve, I predicated that nursing will be replaced by unlicensed, poorly educated, personnel. I was scolded and told that my "Predictions", were too radical. I was told not to talk about it on this listserve.
This was before "Medication Aides" were allowed to take over the professional practice of medication administratrition, MA's were put in charge of medical practices in doctors' Offices, and started to call themselves, "Dr. So and So's Nurse".
Now our new graduate nurses cannot get jobs after graduation, because, "they do not have one years of recent hospital experience". They cannot get that one year of experience because no one will hire them.There is one job for a hundred applicants.
And our elected leaders are still talking about the "critical nursing shortage" ,and insisting that we need more nursing schools to "fix the nursing shortage". Whose side is the ANA on? Not ours for sure.
We must hold our leaders feet to the fire, and demand a change in the increase in the number of nursing programs. The elimination of unpaid internships. I meant what I said about new grads calling the State Labor Board, and demanding an investigation. Nurses need to learn early in their career to utilize the administrative agencies who are there to protect us.
We need to organize throughout the nation, under the National Nurses United, to have a MUCH needed voice over our practice. As it stands now, the ANA, our State Boards of Nursing, do nothing for us, and have made our practice a joke.
Nurses need a crash course in Political Science. They need to learn what their rights are. The quicker they learn, the better off they will be.
JMHO and my NY $0.02.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Somewhere in the PACNW
Long as the nursing service in hospitals/healthcare settings is seen as labour they will mostly call all the shots as to conditions on the ground. This why I personally don't see the BSN being made mandatory via states or a majority of hospitals anytime soon.
Right now for various reasons there are is a surplus of experienced and newly graduated nurses. If or when things change and demand increases after draining what appears to be a large well of new grads and or under-employed nurses, you will still have plenty of programs cranking out grads once or twice a year. The only thing working in favour of the BSN is the huge increase in second career programs coupled with high numbers of college graduates either unemployed or downsized out of a job. Long as the "nursing shortage = steady and good paying job" message is shouted from the house-tops behinds will fill those seats.
What I see happening is slowly the nobility and dare I say it dignity drummed out of the profession. Nursing will become a "job" not a career with more focus on just "getting the work done".
IMHO the profession is moving off into two tracks, advanced practice and staff *grunt* work nurses. More and more you hear young nursing students speaking as if they were going into medicine. Working on the floors and perhaps to some extent clinicals are the necessary evil to be endured in order to gain the requirements for their main goal; entry into a graduate program. Beside care is for aides and or perhaps nurses who couldn't cut it elsewhere, or so the theory goes.
At BBQ's this holiday weekend speaking with persons in healthcare working in various areas the general consensus is things *stink*. Everyone is running around trying to cobble together several gigs to make ends meet. Lack of support staff, supplies, poor working conditions, and so forth.
I can definitely believe this. Working conditions, staffing ratios, benefits, pay rates, and morale have deteriorated at various healthcare facilities in the region where I live since the financial meltdown occurred in '08. When the economic situation improves, I suspect that we will see a mass exodus of disgruntled nurses leaving the bedside if they can find a job off the floor.
Currently, I think that many nurses are simply staying put at dissatisfying jobs in order to financially support spouses that have been laid off, pay for young adult children who are failing to launch their own careers, and replenish retirement accounts that have been decimated.
when you do a quick search of the major hospitals in phoenix there are literally tons of openings...
I am probably going to ruffle some feathers writing this, but here goes. I totally agree with GM2RN's response about being unionized, and I'd take it one step further. I don't understand how any nurse could support politicians of a certain party (the one that starts with R and rhymes with shmepublican). Look at what's happening in the country with the states that have tried to take away union-organizing rights! That is nothing but an orchestrated, country-wide attempt to destroy the opposite side's power base, and has nothing to do with economics. And now the shmepublicans have passed laws in a couple of states allowing the governor to just neutralize local governments and school boards under the guise of "fiscal emergencies". I saw on the news last night that an entire minority suburb in Michigan was seized and "neutralized" by the governor to make a golf course, whose CEO just happened to be a crony of the governor. This type of underhandedness is also at work against nurses, and we need to exert more union and more political strength to ensure our fair treatment, and also the treatment of our fellow citizens.
Yes, nurses do get fired often. Those that do not get fired often don't stay very long in the same place. Honestly, the facility can find a reason to fire the best nurse ever due to the workload and compromising positions we find ourselves in. Family member complaint, patient complaint, med error, etc.
Every month we have a staff roll of employee anniversaries (date of hire) and how long they have been there. Those with ten or fifteen years at the facility are never nurses, they are admin or social workers.
That said, I do think that the older folks should be given some consideration and that some of the more physical tasks be delegated to younger workers.
You must have misunderstood my post. I wasnt talking about you, I was talking about an aged c0-worker who was entirely too debilitated to perform her job duties at 70 plus, but was continuing to work on light duty, and increasing the workload of everyone else. SHe was basically just answering phones while others took on her nursing tasks
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