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Joined Apr 8, '11 - from 'PA'. looking for work is a unemployed. She has '15' year(s) of experience and specializes in 'med/surg/tele/LTC/homecare/correctional/'. Posts: 94 (50% Liked) Likes: 130

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  • Jan 17

    You need to talk to the nurse first...before talking to management...

    It's called simple courtesy and it's protocol in many places. Are you going to go run to management every time you see something or hear something amiss? Sounds like you're going to be in the manager's office a lot.

  • Jan 17

    I feel you pain. Unfortunately no one wants to train anyone theses days. I know several stories like yours. You eventually will get there and become the person they are expecting, and whey you do you'll see that in fact all employers could wait and see someone develop into a good professional

  • Jan 17

    I have sought out counselling from my compassionate employer, and it has helped. I feel that I have healed, but it still hurts to imagine the hatred and ignorance that exists in this world and masquerades around as some representatives of a caring profession. Not everyone was bad in my previous employer... in fact quite a few were shocked I was let go as they feel I am a good nurse and they reached out to me several times after I was let go. I did make a few mistakes during a time (about a month long period) when the acuity level on the floor went up, but the number of staff did not. At the time the employer did not have any kind of a workload measurement tool, and the nurse manager had her hands full, that much I know. I have no intention of getting another job in nursing and being treated in the same inhumane manner. I understand that not every place is like that... my problem is that some are and that they are supported by a very unhealthy system that promotes injustice (something us nurses are supposed to fight against). No one should be able to act with impunity, and in this case, some people have.

    I was employed there for 8 months in total.. I had one long meeting with my nurse manager a week before I was let go, wherein she used it to go down a long list of the mistakes I made in a one month time frame, as well as some issues that were brought forward (as part of my acclimatization to an acute care floor as a new nurse) during the rest of my employment. I left that meeting crying. I used the next week to compose a thoughtful response to the mistakes specifically so that I would be prepared for the next meeting. She did not give me an opportunity to speak and went immediately into the termination letter. I discussed with the union in the days thereafter and I was not able to fight the termination as I was still on probation, and the nurse manager could pretty much do whatever she wanted, as long as she cited, 'practice issues' (relating to the few med errors I made) in my termination. She was able to act as an autocratic ruler. Things should have been dealt with at the unit level, but instead she handed me off to the Association and I had to suffer for a verdict to come out for 162 days.

    So, in short, I have went through the following:
    Lost job
    Lost the benefits
    Lost countless nights' sleep and cried myself to sleep several times
    Had to wait 162 days for a final verdict from the disciplinary committee
    Had to take 2 weeks off sick leave when I was first accused of 'misconduct' and 'incompetence' (and was in counselling at this time)
    Had my full name and verdict published on the Association's website
    Had my full name and verdict published in the local newspaper (3rd paper of the main section)
    Had my full name and verdict announced on three different radio stations in my city
    Have to pay the Association $1500 in processing fee.

    I would not be publishing this here if I did not feel like a huge injustice has occurred, and that I feel that there are probably other instances of this worldwide. This breaks my heart.

  • Jan 17

    My case is not still under review actually. I just did not include that in the video. I understand and see the need for a discipline process.. the problem is when that process is abused. I still have my license and am actually in a temp full time position at the nursing home I still work at. The association was actually very sympathetic with me at the hearing and picked out a few things such as communication and teaching that was lapsing. However, I am told I will never be able to work at the hospital again (or at least for a few years) because I was terminated. I am not doing this to defame the hospital I worked at, the unit manager who fired me, or my profession in general.. I purposefully left out exact details so that it point to the fact that these injustices can happen anywhere under the current system. I know that there are places that work well, where the nurses feel respected and valued, but the problem is that these are the exceptions, not the rule.

  • Jan 16

    Hello, looking for work. Thanks for the reply. I live in Michigan, and I am hoping to be able to get a job in Grand Rapids, MI once I finish nursing school. I keep hearing about how much nurses get treated horribly, and I know it will happen to me for the reasons explained previously. I just really hope that I can learn quickly enough to not be harassed and keep my job.

  • Jan 16

    Quote from Ruby Vee

    Why is "NETY" even still a thing?
    have you seen this? wondering what your opinion is on it. i tried to start a new thread, but not sure why it wasn't post. i'm a new graduate looking to enter the workforce and a bit afraid.

  • Jan 16

    Why do you think your daughters would come out of nursing school and be able to make a 100K a year when you as an experienced nurse only clear that amount with copious overtime? The only RNs I've heard of making 100K+ a year with out also living in a high cost of living area (like San Francisco) all had experience and overtime hours on their side. In my area an experienced acute care night-shifter taking home differentials for nights + weekends, and picking up some overtime could clear 100K/year, but I don't think it is possible for a new grad even full-time nights/weekends unless they are working at the highest paying facility in the area and taking on an unhealthy amount of overtime.

  • Jan 16

    If you do a search, there is a salary thread just started this month that will give you all the salary info you are looking for. Not many are making $100k

  • Jan 16

    I'm guessing you could make that much by being a weekend option night shift RN and picking up some extra shifts. Unless you live in a high cost living area, I don't know very many RN nurses that make that much.

  • Jan 16

    Observation units and ER SHOULD be 2 different areas , completely. No way should you be "floated" to ER. I had 20+ years of experience, worked in 3 different Obs units and would never take an ER assignment. I am not an ER nurse. You must discuss "floating "to ER with your manager.

    You will get unstable patients in obs, days or nights. If you have an unstable patient.. then they are no longer observation patients. Stabilize them and ship them to where they need to be. Notify your charge nurse and the physician to get that done.

    P.S. Never let them see you cry.

  • Jan 16

    Just a couple of quick comments. IMHO, Accountants "help" people a LOT!!! I'd be lost without my tax gal - she's saved my bacon on more than one occasion, including an IRS audit (scary). Maybe OP is a non-people area of accounting. If OP is making the big switch to focus on "helping people" - it's probably going to be disappointing. About half of a nurse's time is spent on paperwork & extraneous fol-de-rol such as hunting for supplies and trying to straighten out communication mix-ups.

    Too many people rush headlong into nursing based on an idealized notion of how fulfilling it it and how much people will admire them. The reality . . . not so much. Inevitably, those ideals come crashing down into a pit of despair & disillusion. Sure, just about every nurse has a some of 'those' moments to be treasured, but they are few and far between. The solution? A realistic job preview. Don't expect nursing to fill all the gaps.

  • Jul 29 '11

    is their any dignity and respect for the care giver i learnt you give and you get get back from an early age.but this days you giv and giv and all you get is complaints from humans whos been taught from an early age to be curtious?????????.mostly the haredst part in dealing with this angels with broken wings is we give grace .practice code off conduct and still its not enough..we get judge an told how it is to do our job because off the google it nurse or google it doctor experience n most complaints comes from your own co workers visiting their parent or friend.. then they say you i am anurse to and this how you should this ..and that is how that should be i am suppose to throw out my policies and follow wat the visitor nurse is saynig so that we dont upset her feelings....huh helppppppppppppppppppppppp???????????????????????

  • Jul 29 '11

    Quote from right
    why not give individual exams like 6 of them on the nursing subjects once passed give the credit and move right along if your already and lpn at least for one year or more ,what about credit for experience .why does an lpn with ten years of experience have to go back to the class room they have earned enough on the floor to to test out outright and earned the as degree. or be qualified to take the nclex cut out that middle man given the chance they will most lpn with experience are very qualified to test out the nclex then if they go back to school it will be for the bsn.
    i was an lpn for four years before earning my rn license. you don't know what you don't know. other educated professions do not advance through shortcuts and 'testing out.' they must do things the old-fashioned way, and so should we.

    too many fast-track nursing programs have opened up during the past ten years, and now many parts of the u.s. have gluts of too many nurses with not enough jobs for everyone who would like to work. shortcuts have been a major downfall in nursing.

  • Jul 29 '11

    my reply on his site, doubt it will be posted:

    "As it is now, the hope for replacing our quickly-retiring nurses and clinical instructors hinges on a bet that at least some of the new nursing graduates will fill in that gap."

    No, you will still have to pay your dues by working for at least a year as a med-surg nurse, and then branch into some other areas, such as ICU or ER, to make yourself more experienced at the bedside. Then, you'll have to take a full-time job somewhere to establish a bit of seniority and continuously play kiss-the-butt of the one person in charge (before they get reassigned/fired) who can give you that "leadership" position that you feel you deserve based on your years of college and mortgage paying ability...good luck...

    and remember,

    nurses don't eat just their young, but the old ones too...

  • Jul 29 '11

    ADN's take the same boards and do the same work as BSN prepared nurses. It is simply a different way to get your RN license. The ADN offers a cheaper way to get working faster and then if you want to move on to a BSN you can get some tuition reimbursement, most places only pay maybe $2,000 a year if that, except for the military or VA. I've heard the VA actually pays $8,000 more if you have your BSN and also will pay for you to get your BSN. Also VA and military offer student loan repayment options to help you get out of debt.

    Some people do the ADN because it is quicker or cheaper. A person has many options these days from public school, tech school to private non-profit and for-profit options. It's up to you how you want to become an RN.

    Also many ADN's have college experience, even bachelors in another field. In response to this reality many colleges are offering accelerated BSN programs to those with another degree or even the direct entry RN to MSN option if you want to be a NP or educator or manager.

    The reason we have so many options is because our job is in demand and will remain in demand giving the demographics of baby boomers retiring. At the moment there may not be alot of jobs available in certain regions if you are a new grad but over the long term this is a job that will remain in demand and it is not easily outsourced. Sure you can bring in nurses from other countries, but you have to pay for travel and recruiting costs.

    I think the ANA is misguided by putting so much emphasis on getting rid of the ADN degree. Instead they would better serve us by fighting for safe working conditions such as no mandatory overtime, fair patient ratios, mandating a no lift environment, the equipment is available but the political will is not there to make it possible at this time. Madpeys why did it take an act of Congress to get safe needles in most hospitals to protect us from HIV and hepatitis when they were available for over 10 years!

    I'm interested in safety, fair safe working conditions not in a label of "professional". It means nothing to me if I have to work in unsafe and dangerous working conditions as a staff RN. I'm not going to give the ANA money so that can make it harder to get a job and force people to end up further in debt with student loans rather than protecting the RN's on the job.

    National Nurses United were the ones that helped get the safe staffing ratios in California and I believe there was a bill for safe no-lift environment but that Gov Schwarzeneger vetoed it when he was in power because the poor hospitals would have to pay for lift equipment.

    I'd rather support a national union that would advance the issues that matter to me, not the ANA that wants to insult me for have an ADN not a BSN after my name. I'd go back to school if it was payed for and I knew I'd be paid more for being a BSN. But there is no hospital in my area that pays any more for a BSN except the VA and since I don't work for them it makes no sense for me to spend the time and money to get a BSN.

    You seem to be so hung up on the label of BSN and professional. but you will find there are many RN's with an ADN they'll be working alongside of you and probably paid the same.

    On the otherhand I do encourage the new, younger RN's to consider a BSN because it will give you an edge for different jobs and allow you to go on to be NP if you so desire. Many of the newer nurses move on and get their NP and MSN because of the poor working conditions at the bedside. BSN helps pave the way! So I'm not against it, but please don't insult the many RN's that chose another way (ADN or diploma) to get their license. We have to pass the same boards, we have the same license, we do the same jobs and we are as professional as any other RN.

    Rather than just a BSN, if a RN wants to advance her knowledge their are many specialty certifications such as CCRN or PCCN that can be obtained.