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    Got me thinking about this thread again. Spent 2 days in the Hospital at an affiliate of the one I got in trouble at(Integris). I had such a wonderful experience and now I also have a new baby girl. None of the misery I had to go through in school, but it did bring back memories. I still think about nursing, but I have very little stress making Oxygen at Air Liquide. I guess I will still have to decide if I go back in January, but for the moment I believe the answer is no.

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    annie.rn and OrganizedChaos like this.

    Quote from Morning_runner
    Its not the same thing. You have a long established relationship with your OB. I have been going to mine for 13 years. Also, nurses are the backbone of labor. They are the ones who coach and reassure a laboring woman. My nurses were champs. They were on the same level because they had been there.

    I chose my OB for his expertise. I would choose female labor nurses for theirs as well. The difference is theirs is personal. A male nurse can't tell you about his natural labor. A male nurse can't commiserate with you about how breastfeeding sucks. So basically it boils down to wanting someone who knows your pain. Not a man who no matter how much he has read or seen it. will never know it
    Sounds very logical and and a very unwelcoming environment for any males that dare to enter.

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    annie.rn likes this.

    Quote from Red Kryptonite
    That's perfectly fine, and your right. But you're consistent.

    I just wonder about those who refuse male nurses, but happily accept male MDs, looking at, touching etc. the exact same body parts.
    I just wanted to note that we are specifically prohibited from performing vaginal exams as students. I would assume this is nationwide and for insurance reasons.

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    annie.rn likes this.

    Quote from Tom LBC
    That is not correct. We had plenty of male students, myself included, in L&D, plus doctors and one male nurse who worked there for years. Male OB nurses are rare but not unheard of. My L&D rotation required that we be present for at least one birth. The only minor quibble was that some younger first-time moms were shy or had cultural requirements that male nurses not come in the room. They were always very polite about it.
    I was mistaken. Up the thread somewhere I said this was one of the most recent states to still ban this practice as recent as 10 years ago.

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    annie.rn likes this.

    Quote from RorySeiter
    Headed to my first OB rotation in a few hours. I will let you know if I am allowed in a room.
    I wouldn't be too worried. I asked this question because this was the main accusation that got me kicked out. I inquired further and was told the hospital no longer welcomes me at clinicals so therefore I am kicked out. There was some history that made it stick.

    Here is the formula to getting kicked out:
    1. Past history of being written up. (I don't know why, but nursing school will write you up for being late to class or any other minor offense)
    2. Running your mouth (I said a few things that I don't believe were offensive, but they upset the instructor. Keep your mouth shut and smile a lot)
    3. Show up on time (I wasn't late, but This will kill you in a heartbeat)
    4. Stick with your assigned patient especially in OB. (If I did it again I wouldn't bother to do anything for any other patients unless I was followed by a female nurse)

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    I think so many guys are CRNAs because women suck at math. That's not sexist right? Lol

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    Quote from Fancypants09
    Wow, I am really appalled at the fact that, dear OP, you've been dismissed from the program for how you behaved. Ok, so you made an error in judgment, and you actually learned from it, which is the important thing! If all nursing students were failed/expelled for making errors while in clinical, there would be zero nursing students in schools. We're supposed to use clinicals as learning opportunities.

    I mean, really, why stretch the discipline of a student so far? In our clinicals, we've had something called a "Progression Plan" for a student who is not meeting course requirements in a clinical... It's supposed to help keep you up to speed if you're doing things wrong or not understanding time and time again. From what it sounds like, this was an honest mistake, the woman was covered up, and OP looked in her direction... This is grounds for dismissal? That is ludicrous.

    I wonder if you were a US nursing student? I was told that having to pay for healthcare in the US makes patients feel entitled to a certain standard of care, and this is very reasonable, surely. So the patient complained, hospital got wind of it, now the student is expelled from program... Nothing reasonable about this.

    I guess big money talks, and big money walks.

    OP, what are your plans for the future?
    Well, I can go to school until I die if I feel like it. I thought about all this and decided I am going to pursue a degree in Biology to get me closer to my goal or work. I am interested in industrial hygiene. Maybe you know something about it? I have a couple of technical degrees and other skills so work is something I am looking forward to and don't want to put off any longer. I've been in school for 4 years now.

    I don't know if folks are aware of this, but where I live you can administer a nursing home with a bachelor's degree of any kind. Pays a whole lot better than nursing.

    Oklahoma State Board of Examiners for Long Term Care Administrators - * Integrity * Service * Professionalism * OSBELTCA *

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    Quote from BuckyBadgerRN
    Seriously?
    I believe I was mistaken. I was reading an old article and California was one of the last holdouts that did ban males as recent as 15 years ago.

    The patient happened to be hispanic, but I don't really think that makes much of a difference. Everyone is entitled to their modesty if they demand it. There was another patient that was some sort of Amish maybe? I'm not familiar with Menonite culture. I was told not to enter and I didn't.

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    Quote from canoehead
    If you stood there with the tray in your hand gawping at her naked crotch for twenty seconds (the worst thing I can imagine ) I think the appropriate action would be to kick you out of the room, and have a sincere talk about appropriate behavior afterwards. But you said she was completely covered...

    Either the instructor laid a really huge egg and overreacted, or there is a backstory we aren't privy to. If what you said is all that happened you deserve a better explanation IMO.
    The staring at her naked crotch statement made me laugh for a minute. No, that did not occur. I showed my dismissal letter and my response to the teacher my sister. She thinks it is discrimination also. She is a fairly reasonable individual and in nursing school also.

    After discussing it with my family, I believe maybe I am not cut out to work as a nurse. I was thinking if this was just a case of me being fired from a nursing job. I don't care to have my reputation ruined or questioned because I am a male. I am thinking this is how some nurses behave and my personality brings this out.

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    toomuchbaloney and annie.rn like this.

    I don't even know why the instructors make passing trays such a big issue, but they do. I thought it was my responsibility. I think its stupid to pass trays in RN training. I am not one of these people that thinks certain duties are beneath them, I just don't see the point..[/QUOTE]

    I think this may be more of an issue than anything else. It's not beneath us as students to do ANYTHING that is asked of us. If the instructor wants you to do it, you do it.

    As for why you were dismissed, seems odd, details are missing. It seems harsh to dismiss you for staring. Any student could stare if they saw something that they were unfamiliar with. It happens. Part of the student process is gaining a poker face.[/QUOTE]
    I was very tired that day and I might have stared a little too long. I saw a patient with a sweaty forehead and realized maybe I should leave. Nothing too exciting. It was such a non event I left the room and completely forgot about it until I had a meeting with my director. I wasn't sure what the big ordeal was?

    The funny thing is if I am this horrible creeper then why am I allowed to retake the class?

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    Quote from adoRNo2b2015
    I don't get the whole male students not welcome in a labor room, aren't most doctors and respiratory techs male anyway???? working in OB I don't see a lot of this. most of our patients are happy to let the students learn and at the time to push, most could not care less of who is in the room, they just want their babies OUT!
    I heard in California it is illegal for a male nurse to work on an OB floor. I would question why I even need the training?

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    caliotter3 likes this.

    Quote from nkainzbauer
    I'm confused, were you kicked out for starring at the patient or for bringing a tray in her room ?
    I didn't ask that question, but I assume just my presence in the room was enough.

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    nursel56 and Janey496 like this.

    Quote from iPink
    This story doesn't make sense. Someone had to have handed you the tray to tell you to take it to room X. In addition, you should have knocked and announced yourself asking if it was ok to enter the room.

    I agree with Bucky that there is too much missing holes in your story to actually give you help. Hope this is a learning experience and good luck in however you chose to deal with this.


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    I should have been deliberate about asking permission to come in and announced myself. When I entered my instructor was standing there and she didn't say anything.

    Hindsight is 20/20 and I could have done a whole bunch of things differently. I passed trays the other three days I was there with no issues. I could have asked the aide to help me with passing the trays and asked more details about the patients. I don't even know why the instructors make passing trays such a big issue, but they do. I thought it was my responsibility. I think its stupid to pass trays in RN training. I am not one of these people that thinks certain duties are beneath them, I just don't see the point.

    I wasn't really looking for any sympathy. I was just wondering what other thought. From the sentiment here it seems like the same things I was thinking. I had poor judgement, was dealt maybe a heavier hand than necessary, but I need more carefully assess the way I interact with patients.

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    Quote from mc3
    Hmmm, I'm thinking there's more to this that meets the eye....
    mc3
    There are few more minor details I don't care to discuss because I am uncomfortable airing the full story if my instructors came upon it. I am basically a jerk that creeps around patient rooms while they are in labor. I also don't attend class or turn my assignments in on time. Somehow I managed to score a 97% on my last test and I also scored 100% on my semester project which was 10% of my grade. I did turn in one assignment late. Whenever they do something like this they try to stack the deck against you.


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