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  • Jan 11 '15

    OK, that's your opinion. I personally started on a working visa, transitioned to permanent resident, then US citizen (since 2004). I passed all my exams on first try and have a Master's degree from a reputable university here. I guess I don't fit your generalization but I don't really care one way or the other.

  • Jan 11 '15

    PinayUSA, I still don't see why this is a problem. They may have proven that they have the smarts to pass an entry-level RN exam in the US but they are employed in their home countries being paid in their country's currency. I am Filipino-American and I'm glad opportunities such as this exist in third world countries. I just hope these companies have enough liability protection for the phone triage decisions made by these nurses who can't be prosecuted here in the US if something goes wrong.

  • Jun 1 '13

    Quote from RNOTODAY
    I ask because I had an extensive illness, which I had to apply for fmla for and take a 2 month leave for. I went back to work because I had to financially, but I was not ready ... so long story short, I took too many days out. Enter a new manager, and I was fired. I had been there for five years, and the new manager was not aware of my situation. My ilness affected me physically as well as psychologically. I have since recovered, or rather , properly treated, and fully able to focus on work. Has anybody, or ever known anybody, who has gone back, explained this, and been re hired? I need advice, I need this job back. Please give any advice you can. Thanks in advance. !!
    Oh, sweetie, you are singing my song! Same thing happened to me this spring: I had to go out on leave for a severe episode of illness, tried to go back too soon, and learned later that same week that my services were no longer required. Unfortunately, I am now on the do-not-rehire list because I was fired, even though it was not my fault that my former employer could/would not accommodate my medical restrictions. And I won my unemployment case. But I'm not even allowed back in the building---despite the fact that my son still works there as a med aide---because I was terminated rather than leaving of my own accord.

    I don't know if your former facility is quite THAT strict, but I wouldn't count on being re-hired, even though your termination was no more your fault than mine was. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, because I think it stinks on ice and I have to hope there's a special place in Hell for people who fire employees for things they cannot help and wouldn't have to deal with if they'd drawn a luckier hand in life. But you and I both need to close the book on that chapter of our careers and start fresh someplace else. You're ready. I'm ready. Onward and upward!

  • Jun 1 '13

    How does nursing work for a military spouse work... I am a junior nursing student and will be graduating with a BSN in may of 2011 and will be an RN after passing the NCLEX... my fiance is in currently in the navy and is thinking of resigning at the end of the year but i was wondering how nursing and licensure would work for a military spouse who is moving to different states often... ive tried looking it up on the internet but can't seem to find the information im looking for... any help you could give would be appreciated

  • Mar 29 '11

    With this kind of logic, LPNs who have enough academic credits and floor experience should be permitted to attempt the CRNE.

    Alberta and Ontario are requiring PNs graduate from a two year academic based programme, which is often all some of the IENs have: a two year college based nursing credential.
    No Fiona59 you are wrong, that is not a logical conclusion.

    One of the requirements for a registered nursing license is that you have graduated from a recognized school of registered nursing.
    This makes LPN"s who have graduated from a recognized school for practical nursing ineligible to apply for a registered nurse license without going back to school.

    On the other hand IEN's who graduated from a registered nursing school in another country and are licensed and working as an LPN, can apply for a registered nurse license.

    Of course they have to have their credentials, schooling, and experience evaluated against the provincial requirements before getting permission to take the CRNE. Many provinces are now also requiring the SEC ( Substantially equivalent competency) assessment as part of that evaluation as well.

    Alberta and Ontario are requiring PNs graduate from a two year academic based programme, which is often all some of the IENs have: a two year college based nursing credential.
    Is is my understanding that Ontario has a degree requirement for registered nursing and only accepts IEN's for a RN license with an equivalent degree. I am not sure about ALberta, but I do know that the university degree requirement is applied differently in all provinces. Some require an equivalent degree and others look at competencies.
    The CNA needs to put our own nursing house in order before permitting "exceptions" for foreign educated nurses.
    The CNA is not a regulatory body. They are a national organization that works to promote the nursing profession but they are not mandated by law to protect the public.They have no power to set policy for public protection in requirements for a nursing license. This is done under legislation at the provincial level.

  • Jan 4 '11

    Some areas of Central Canada are experiencing nursing shortages, including Eastern Ontario. In my area, you can pretty much walk into a full-time job.

  • Sep 22 '10

    Quote from pvcomia
    thanks for the reply. I just dont get it why they should cap the profession. Its not like its a fast filling job in the UK. It always been a problem with the UK healthcare system that there is a lack of Nurses to fill the posts needed by the trust. It couldn't solve the unemployment rate in Britain if they would look into this sector as a solution to give a solution in the unemployment rate of the country.

    Not sure where there is a lack of nurses to fill jobs because I knew many newly qualified UK nurses that struggled to find work. As far as I am aware the cap covers all skilled workers. Also know of several hospitals that lost nurses due to retirement etc and couldn't replace them because they had to save money

    What country are you from? Remember each country has it's own requirements. Canada now has a capping system for immigrants wanting PR and this also includes nurses, plus Canadian nurses are in some provinces struggling to find work. The US has been under retrogression since Oct 06 and US nurses are struggling to find work so why should the UK open it's doors when they should be looking after their own citizens first?

  • Sep 21 '10

    Why should the Filipino nurses be given priority to immigrate? There's nothing special that they have to offer that someone from India, Canada, Russia, or Australia can't offer. Everyone should be given equal opportunity to immigrate, Filipino nurses aren't the exception. If there is a nursing shortage then those jobs need to go to the new grad RN's who are living in the US, no need to import.

    Our new grad RN's are having issues finding employment, there's no reason to import when the economy is bad and there are many cut backs and nurses are getting laid off.

  • Aug 17 '10

    Questions like this always raise a flag for me. If the OP can't figure out the application forms to work here, how will they handle the paperwork at work or in everyday life?

    Sometimes you have to figure things out for yourself.

  • Jul 1 '10

    There certainly are no arbitrary number of years required for experience written in the rules as far as H1B Visas. All it says is that the petitioned employee works in a specialized profession requiring a Bachelor's degree. That's where nursing becomes problematic in terms of H1B Visa approval. The minimum requirement for entry into many professional nursing practice roles is an Associate's degree - even for nurses in Critical Care. In fact, there are many "experienced" ICU nurses who have an Associate's as their highest nursing degree.

    To the OP, I am just wondering why you started this thread in the first place. Your initial post was questioning how a goup of Filipino nurses were able to get hired recently in a large hospital in South Texas and then you later gave an update that one of the nurses arrived on a "working visa" having only had volunteer experience in the Philippines. Then, when that fact was questioned (and rightfully so), you said that this person has experience working for a while in the Middle East. Against a backdrop of an economc recession when many nurses (even some experienced ones) are having a tough time finding a job, it's hard for others reading this thread to not react the way they did.

    I am happy that this person you know has a job in the US. I sure hope that the real circumstances leading to this person's arrival to the US weren't fraudulent. Each case is reviewed individually by the immigration service and we really don't know much about this case other than what you've posted based on what you were told. As a Filipino-American, I would be very careful posting threads that doesn't really do a lot of service to the kind of image we Filipino nurses are conveying to the International Nursing Community. I hate to say this but your posts did make it seem like this person cheated their way into an H1B Visa.

  • Jul 1 '10

    Please guys can we try and be nice to everyone. This is the International forum and we get people posting from all over the world with questions. Even now there are people that are not fully understanding retrogression in the US and how it is impacting on people. Please let us use this time for education and being friendly to all

  • Jul 1 '10

    Why are you people so rude? Not everyone overseas is aware of a) retrogression or b) the state of the US economy. They come here, to the INTERNATIONAL NURSE forum to inquire - politely - about working in the US and get attacked with aggressive statements like "what makes you think they will be willing to hire foreigners with open arms" or "Why would hospitals hire outside of the US when there are qualified Americans?".

    Why don't you try being polite to guests? It's not hard to say "there are currently no visas available" without the assumption that the foreigners are trying to sneak in and steal american jobs. Nurses working all over the world in other countries all the time, it's not an unusual request.

  • Jun 28 '10

    well, i can say that I agree of what is being written about Saudi Arabian people & their culture... as a nurse for 6 years I have experienced & observed, that not all arabs are the same...some well educated Saudi's are more open minded & they treated medical professionals in a nice manner,but frankly speaking most of them are very difficult to deal with...(language barriers, cultures & religions),most often they feel that they're more knowledgeable than the doctor nor the nurse, they do'nt have patience to wait for their turn...before I work there, some of my friends would say that Saudi's had a backward mentality, & I didn't believe until I worked there.... And that's true it's very hard for us to live there, if we don't have freedom of expressions esp. we have to attend mass in secret...whereas in some other countries
    they can build their mosques as many as they want...Hoping one day they'll come up for a realization:icon_roll

  • Jun 27 '10

    i am sorry i dont have the wrong idea about saudi you have.Wake up and smell the coffee. What is the use of being secure but not free. Their treatment of non-white, non-arab expatriates is well known. For the same jobs, based on race and nationality, workers are paid differently. And you would be lying if you said thats untrue. Islam teaches equality. I have seen everywhere except in saudi. If a non-arab is killed in an accident, his death compensation is far less than an arab one. Better to be a slave in heaven than a king in hell.

  • Jun 27 '10

    this is a very interesting article! i've been working in saudi arabia even before 9/11, and would like to contribute to the discussion.

    the most common reason why people come here is because of money. saudi arabia, with so much restrictions, has to compensate expats with excellent salaries and tons of benefits. the salary would depend on which country you come from. those coming from the us will get about $4500 a month. some might think this isn't much but think about it: yes, you might earn this (or more) in the us but after paying the mortgage, tax, cost of living, expenses and bills, how much is left at the end of the month? people working here can save 2/3 of their salary easily because there's no tax, housing is paid for by your company and living expenses are not expensive. for some, electric, water, and phone bills are also paid for by the company. the only thing i spend my money on is food. some people can even double their salary by doing overtimes. remember, no tax. you get your salary down to the last cent. canadian and europeans get about $4200/month. the lowest salary i think are those from asia, as low as $1000/month. i knew couples who worked in saudi arabia for 3 years and at the end of their contract, they totally wiped out their debt and was able to save money for a good downpayment on a house. as one of my canadian friends said "if you have no debts, your ahead of the 80% of canadian population."

    aside from money, travelling is another reason to go to saudi arabia. in the hospital where i work, we get about 55 days paid vacations per year plus one roundtrip plane ticket/year. i have visited a lot of places all over the world because i have the time and the money to do so.

    you will be working with nurses from all over the world. you might work with other americans, canadians, europeans, australians, asian, south africans, and other people from the middle east in your unit/floor alone. that could either be good or bad, mostly good for me. meeting and interacting with people from other countries broadens my mind like you wouldn't believe!

    for the bad part. not everyone can work here. the need to have financial freedom has to be greater than any other kind of freedom. the men have an easier time here that women, and harder still for single women. if you are married and both of you are nurses, you will have an easier time adjusting to the cultural/social restrictions. if you going to work in a huge hospital, it's definitely easier. expats have their own community separate from the locals. also, how severe the restrictions are will depend on which part of saudi arabia you'll be working. jeddah will be more lax. riyadh will be very strict. if you are a woman, you cannot: 1)drive 2)leave your house/hospital compound without the "abaya" (that black overall clothing you have to wear) and the head cover 3)eat on public restaurants with other single men, you must be accompanied by other married couples 4)leave your house/hospital compound without your "iqama" or resident permit and hospital id 5)ride in a car with men that's not immediate family or husband except for the licensed hospital transportation.

    also, riyadh does not have any movie theatres. all restaurants and cafes have separate places for men and women. malls and all stores closes during prayer times (5 times a day) for half an hour. christian holidays and celebrations are prohibited, like christmas and valentine's. for married couples, you must bring your marriage certificate with you at all times. alcoholic drinks and pork are strictly prohibited except at the embassies. violations will mean jail.

    how are you gonna have a social life, you ask? well, embassies always have functions or parties going on. believe me, i've never been to so many balls in my life! aside from this, western compounds will have private parties as well and no hassles from the police as long as you're discreet. married couples can host private parties and can invite all their single friends. as long as you know people, you can party every week if you want. if you're not a party girl (or guy) there's always shopping. because there's hardly anything to do here except shop, shopping malls are all over the place. you have the money, so buy whatever you want. when the shops go on sale, they really go on sale, up to 90% off. this is a place where ordinary people like you and me can afford a $2500 louis vuitton bag or an armani purple label clothes. if you're not a label queen, there's always persian carpets and gold jewelry.

    now as for work. english is the language spoken in our hospital but miscommunications are still common. you not only have to communicate to patients who's language you can't understand, you have co-workers whom you also cannot understand even if they're speaking in english. a lot of units in the hospital does not deal with the royal family so most don't have to worry about them. where i work, we rarely get any patients from the royals. you always have to be culturally sensitive when dealing with patients and that might be difficult if your beliefs doesn't mesh with theirs. the type of patients and their diagnosis are sometimes something you've never heard of, especially the genetic and metabolic cases.

    if you are the kind of person who only see black and white in terms of policies and rules, you can't work here because there are sometimes more exceptions than rules. if you're the kind of person who cannot accept statements like "this is how things are done here" then this place is not for you. if you are tolerant of other cultures, would like some financial stability and is willing to accept that saudi arabia does not have be the "real world" but just the means to an end, you might want to give it a try.