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I remember Hillary saying this in the 90's it was on some local TV. Her father was in the hospital and she was something about nurses aren't educated like doctors and lawyers and shouldn't expect to be paid so much (paraphrase) cause its been over 20 years.
I know the hospitals were trying all types of ******** to cut cost. I worked night shift and we had no janitorial service. I had to clean up a room after my patient had projectile direhha. It was all over him and the other patient in he room. THe all the ceiling. It was hell. I never even charted druing my 12 hours. I usually had to stay after shift to do all the dang paperwork. We ran our asses off and she said that sh*t. It still pisses me off now. Then when she was running against Obama in 08. She shadow some nurse trying to backtrack her attidude toward nursing.
I had to do this along with taking care of my other 9 patietns. It was crazy ass time in nursing.
I can tell you we all HATED HILLARY and Hated the idea of Hillary Care.
She IS AND WAS the OLD feminist. She believe women that did traditional rows of caregiver, sham, teacher and nurses where not worth a crap.
I really have trouble believing that Secretary Clinton really said such a thing. And now 23 years later, after having family members pass away, her husband undergoing open heart surgery, and the head injury she herself suffered, I doubt she would say such a thing today.
And TheCommuter is correct, it is all about money in this country. Its how we assign worth in this country and decide whether someone deserves anything. Are you a millionaire, then surely you deserve a tax cut. Are you homeless, then you are a leech.
I came too late to add input to the question of Hillary Clinton's remarks regarding nurses. I will agree with the voice of the Capt. Some of us are old enough to remember what many in the media choose to forget. (Believe it or not, not everything is documented online). Shortly after Bill Clinton was elected President, Hillary did indeed say that nurses were overpaid and were nothing but doctor's handmaidens. Many of us were appalled. What was even more amazing is that she totally disrespected her mother-in-law with that statement (Bill's mother was a nurse). The argument that the ANA would not support someone who had made that statement is also false. At the time of the statement, I was an active member of the ANA. Within a year of Hillary's statement, the ANA asked Hillary to be the keynote speaker at their convention. I dropped my membership and have never rejoined. I could not tolerate an organization who embraced someone who did not respect our profession. It seemed more important to the ANA to have the First Lady as a keynote speaker than to stand up for all nurses. That is when I realized, it is all about the money.
You are correct that anyone can have a change of heart 20+ years later. However, I was mainly answering the initial posted question about whether or not she actually said such a thing. (By the way, she made these comments after her father was critically ill and in the hospital for an extended period of time.) My wish at the time, and still is, that she should be just as concerned about her profession as she is mine. Tort reform is much needed in our country and would help significantly in decreasing the cost of healthcare. I would respect her more if she took care of the "elephant" in her own backyard. But since we have a lot of lawyers running our country, it will probably not ever happen.
I deleted jwk's offending message which appeared throughout the thread.
Nurse anesthesia students feels strongly about this, and you know it, JWK! That is so stereotypical and UNFAIR to play the ol' "wannabe doctor" card. The members who are posting to this thread are particularly proud to be nurses, and it is apparant in their posts. These are not nurse anesthesia students who are going to tell people they are residents in order to get jollies in deceiving pts and go on a power trip. The arguement is valid in this thread. I draw the line when members start instigating arguments and say, "let the flames begin".
While many, many members value your input and view as an AA, this is a nurse anesthesia board. We will be steadfast in advocating for it.
You might also seek help on the CRNA and SRNA forum on Facebook. But, job searches on gaswork is probably your best indicator.
If you are a fully qualified CRNA, do the rest of us a favor and don't jump on the first ACT job that offers you $120k/year to be their *****. Search around. You might not be able to get a job in the place you really want to live, but home is where you hang your hat. Do your homework. Find a good prospect. Research it. Go visit them. Talk to CRNAs (offline - buy them a beer after work and shoot the ****). Find a good spot, because you're going to be doing this day in and day out - make sure it's a good one. Don't settle for some super-supervised, salaried work-til-you-drop kind of crap that people settle for first thing. Be willing to move. Pump up your skills. Go for the gold, baby!
Hello again, all of my nursing and future-nursing friends!
I love that we have a place as great as Allnurses.com to share our feelings, stories, and inspirations with each other. This is me, sharing my difficulties with day-to-day life
I was diagnosed very young with attention deficit disorder--so young, I am not even sure exactly what age. I struggled to learn how to tell time. My father, a great man by the way, had a problem with managing his temper. Whenever he helped me with homework, it was a nerve-wracking experience. I remember trying to learn how to tell time, and I would be so scared of getting the wrong answers, because I knew he would get upset. Stress, made it nearly impossible to come to the right answers. Eventually, I was put on a medication that many of you are probably familiar with, Ritalin.
Oh, how I hated that drug. That drug changed who I was, who I could have been. It made me never want to take another medication for my condition to this day. I felt like I was a malnurished zombie; I was lethargic, socially absent, and I was unhappy. Let's just say that until I met my husband, my social life was very grim.
I was taken off of Ritalin sometime during middle school. I was not eating so much that it was no longer of any benefit to me to continue the medication. By that time, I was not confident enough to put myself out there and become more social. I ate more, but never enough. I would snack when i was home, but rarely ate a wholesome meal, but would eat most of my happy meals, which didn't help with my ADD, but made it worse. To this day, I still don't eat when I am stressed, even if I have migraines.
I know that when I exercise, my stress level decreases, and my appetite improves. Once I started nursing school, I had zero time to work out and stay healthy. I am taking some time off from my studies to return to my program next fall. Now, I am going to integrate more time for family, exercise, and reading my materials ahead to lessen my stress when school starts.
I wrote another article about my experience in my nursing program, going with my gut instincts, and withdrawing. This article you are currently reading was inspired by my last one because I left this part of me out of it. One person posted that they noticed my lack in time-managment skills and poor study habits. I am glad that I got that post, because it showed me that I needed to go into details about why I struggled in school. This is my background for that missing information in my previous article.
I see now how I was not taking care of myself, and that in turn reflected on my schooling and life in general. I was always stressed, my emotions were very much unstable because of my condition. I found this other article on Facebook shortly before I chose to withdraw. It helped me realize I needed to reevaluate my choices and how I was living day by day. I will supply the link to this post below because 19 of the 20 things on this articles list about people with ADD or ADHD apply to myself. It gives a great amount of simple understanding about people with this disorder.
20 Things to Remember If You Love a Person with ADD
Thank you for reading and....
Hi all. I'm a SRNA starting my third rotation in an integrated program. I realize that it is still relatively early in the program, and that this is a touchy subject, but I've been questioning my choice to pursue anesthesia. I could use some advice from those who are practicing or in school. I'm doing well in my classes and clinical, and I'm trying my best to take care of myself. I've been sleeping at least 7 hours a night, exercising daily, and eating healthy. Still, I feel completely exhausted every day after clinical, sometimes ill, and constantly anxious. I am very hard working, but my body has never allowed me to forgo rest and self care and just go full speed ahead without crashing. I've always needed sleep, exercise, and a healthy diet to function well. The pressure to sacrifice more time and more energy is starting to burn me out. In addition, I'm terrified of causing harm to my patients, either during or after school, due to fatigue or incompetence. I've had nothing but good evaluations, but I'm worried that my energy level and mental capacity is not adequate for the responsibility of this profession. I have a good mind for science and very good clinical skills (intubations, lines, etc.) but I'm not sure if that is enough to cut it, and my real strengths have always been in my character and compassion for others. I'm having a hard time finding my place in the operating room, which is really not a supportive environment, and really could care less about what type of person you are as long as you keep the patient alive. I shadowed pretty extensively before applying to school, but I'm afraid that I viewed things things through rose colored glasses and was a fly on the wall. My perspective has certainly changed now that I am in the driver's seat. I show up prepared with a positive attitude every day, but I'm feeling very discouraged. I really apologize for this long and self absorbed storyline, and I anticipate that some will tell me to suck it up, but I'm really concerned about my patient's safety and my own health/job satisfaction/sanity in the long run. Is this just my distorted perspective as a student, do other people feel this way, or was I really not cut out for this profession? It's hard for me to tell, because I've never experienced what's on the other side of the tunnel. Any input or advice would be greatly appreciated, even if it's brutally honest. Thanks everyone.
I'm not in anesthesia school. But I am in intense summer school right now. And I was glad to read someone else is experiencing fatigue and burnout too. So you are not alone. I've worked for years to get this far. In school and want it more than anything, but I'm having migraines and feeling sheer exhaustion after classes and clinicals. I pray and hope it goes fast and I absorb it and come out of the yuck feeling. Good luck.
It sounds like you've got two things that are really making you have these feelings.
1) Anxiety in general. It sounds like you've got a lot of anxiety about making a mistake and causing harm. A small amount of that is good and healthy, but too much can be crippling and keep you from experiencing any joy. It sounds like you are too anxious about these things, especially since you are getting great marks from your teachers and preceptors. Is your level of anxiety legitimate?
2) You say you're having trouble finding your place in the OR. This could be for lots of reasons. If you don't feel like a master at what you're doing, that can be discouraging and fatiguing. Constantly having to double check yourself or ask questions is tiring in general. This is what they talk about when they say expert to novice syndrome. You were an expert in the ICU and now you're getting kicked around like a wet dog in the OR lol. This will change with time.
Here's a question. Are there any moments in the OR that you get really excited or happy about? Are there some moments that put energy into you rather than take it from you?
There is a reason you chose to go into this profession. Don't let yourself get depressed. You've gotta keep fighting and keep moving forward, no matter if you feel like it or not. This is why people say anesthesia school is the hardest thing they've ever done. Your discouragement is not unique. I wish you the best and encourage you, don't give up!
From the threads I've seen on this site, it bothers me that some programs do not provide preceptors. What happens if you are unable to find one in time? Do you get a refund?
I've been reading through some threads, and it seems a large number are people desperately looking for preceptors so they can complete clinicals. I wondered how widespread this problem is, and starting searching online - my results were astounding. There are literally hundreds (maybe thousands) of stories online of people having to drop out of their NP program because they cannot find preceptors. This is absolutely unacceptable. Why is it okay for a program to take your money and not actually provide your education? It's bad for education quality, it's bad for professional perception, and it's just deplorable.
I would like to start a petition to the AACN/CCNE asking them to require NP programs to set up clinical rotations for students in order to gain accreditation. The whole purpose of accreditation is to ensure programs are competent and teaching what needs to be taught, and they are doing potential students a huge disservice by allowing programs to exist that do not meet these standards.
Would anyone else be willing to sign this petition?
Instead of creating/signing a petition, why not just only sign up for NP programs that provide preceptors?
I would sign it. NP programs should have this responsibility. It's like going to regular nursing school and finding a hospital to precept with? How ridiculous is that?!?!?
I would sign this petition. I don't know about other professions, but it seems terrible that students should have to find their own preceptor. What if they can't find someone, or have to make due with a less than optimal situation. That is a huge part of the education ,especially if they are in an online program. There should be fewer program seats if there are not enough preceptors. I would have gladly paid more tuition money if a percentage of it went to preceptors, many of whom do this work for free out of the goodness of their hearts. I intend to precept students in the future after a year or so on the job. I feel like it's my opportunity to give back.
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