megjrn 1,590 Views
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I have no problem with this law. Do the crime, do the time, and not all time is necessarily in a prison.
Fifteen years is a fair amount of time to allow pass before allowing eligibility. If this is a problem there are other states that will allow you to ply your trade.
"angel garcia: Whats even funnier is that if u seal your record u can actually lie on the applicaton for licensing by stating that u have never been arrested or plead guilty regardless of the adjudication"
That is not true at all. Healthcare licensing entities have full access to sealed records, as do firearm dealers and manufacturers, and various other entities. Perhaps you mean expunged records? And how is lying on a licensing application funny?
I am a new nurse, and I was shocked when I found out just how badly nurses are treated, and how as a group nurses do nothing at all to put a stop to it. I mean one lone nurse can do nothing but get fired, but nurses in general could do a lot.
That being said I have never seen or heard of a profession that works 12 to 14 hour shifts with only 1 supposed 30 minute break off their feet, and usually your frowned upon if you are able to take that.
I remember seeing a story on the news about a lady who worked for some company (Not a nurse) a few years ago. She wasn't allowed time outside of her lunch time to go to the bathroom, and often pee'd in a cup (I think she drove a truck or something). The world was shocked that in an 8 hour period she did not have more breaks and things were changed. As nurses they don't even give us a cup.
I hear all of this double talk coming out of corporate butt about patient safety while all the while you are pretty much forced to work sick, given more patients per shift, more duties, more paperwork, told to finish it all before you leave, but not to get overtime or you will be written up, but to slow down, but to finish everything, but by the way here's more, but don't forget to take your lunch, but if you stay over you will be written up, if you don't finish you will be written up, and by the way here's more, and please remember patient safety.
And all the nurses I work complain (mumble under breath), and do nothing. I am staying my two years for experience, another degree (no choice as I have student loans, bills, and cannot afford to get next degree on my own), and then I am leaving hospital work unless things have drastically changed.
And its sad because I have wanted to be a nurse since I was 4, and patient care was all I ever wanted to do.
nasty toenails on people who are able to take care of them. You know, the really thick, 2" long ones. Usually on dudes who really wear a size 10 shoe but have to buy size 12 cause they are lazy.
Agreed. Or at least hire the ones that want to come to work.
Or...you could hire the right number of nurses, and provide them with enough support that they don't spend their time doing waitressing, housekeeping, pharmacy, physio, dietary, secretary, stocking, and PR duties.
Hmmm, that sounds better than mandation, and better than on call!
Or maybe someone is just asking for help because they don't understand the problem???? There is no one person who knows answers to everything which is why we ask others for help. I think that finding a book on medication calculations would be a good idea. Or even search the web for online calculations.
Hi Lorie P! I have not been on allnurses in a couple days. I just saw your post and I am so sorry at what has happened. Sometimes the best of us can get fired. We are only human and can all have lapses in judgment. From all the posts I have interacted with you in the past, you sound like a great and very competent nurse! So don't be too hard on yourself.
I actually resigned from a PD case once because I feared I could end up getting fired... long and complex story.
You mentioned that you are worn out from caring and being responsible for others. Sounds like you have "compassion fatigue", along with other problems in your life. The general public just doesn't have a clue how emotionally DRAINING it can be to be a nurse.
Take care of yourself! And again I am so sorry....
As a reply to the OP, people do have a defensive tendency to externalize errors. It is part of the idea of cognitive dissonance and how people will create external justifications so they don't have to admit of an internal flaw. I don't know if it's maturity, critical thinking, or some other factor that allows some people to look internally and accept responsibility for their mistakes. Hopefully, a professional nurse is able to critically examine everything surrounding an error including the system, available resources, and themselves.
I understand what it's like being nervous going through orientation. But that does not excuse a nurse from making medication errors. Why didn't she make check the patient's wristband to the MAR before giving meds? I find it inexcusable. I've given meds to the wrong patient once and I was scared silly when I realized what I had done. I was busy and didn't check the MAR to the patient's wristband. I owned up to my mistake, called the doc, and filled out an incident report. But giving meds to the wrong patient three times?? Three times?
We use a combination of team and primary nursing - patients are allocated geographically, with two nurses carring for eight patients between them. They both listen to hand over and create a shift plan, but take responsibility for half the patients (depending on acuity) - do obs, give meds, liaise with other members of the team, write notes etc, while acting as a support and resource for the other team member.
The grads share a preceptor - for the first six weeks they all work the same shifts, with the preceptor a supernumerary member of the team. In addition to the preceptor they have a clinical support nurse (one per ward) and a grad coordinator/educator (one per two-ward floor), and study days.
Despite this integrated, consistent approach, we still have nurses who just don't get it, who focus on the tasks and don't recognise the underlying stuff exists (let alone know any of it), who don't understand that they need to check the blood work before calling for an IV flask or warfarin order, do obs before giving meds etc, and who won't be told. Nurses who believe that any kind of individualised goal setting, criticism, concern or reprimand is personal rather than professional, an example of being picked on (fortunately the phrase "nurses eat their young" doesn't have a firm foothold in Australia).
Which brings me to the point of the OP - sometimes it is because there isn't enough suypport, but sometimes nurses who believe they were fired for NO reason are plain incompetent and unteachable.
Maybe she just was not cut out to be a nurse , some people just DON'T get it all people have an issue with this at some point in there life. Unfortunately it was too late for her to realize that about herself. Maybe it took her to be fired for her to get awake up call if she even did but it sounds like she still doesn't understand.
Well, it's not necessarily about them being mean and hateful, though some are.
It's about them being sneaky, cut-throat, playing games, distorting truth in order to acheive whatever agenda/s they have in mind. It's very sad and makes for an unnecessarily stressful and non-supportive environment.
It's not that nurses simply eat their young--whether that phrase is warn out or not.
It's that nurses eat each other, period!!!!
B/c of these games and mentalities, nursing has a tough time building itself up to be a true professions. There's too much of the ole "Every man/woman for himself/herself" going on in the field.
The sad thing is that more and more nurses are just giving up hope that there will ever be significant change in this regard.
I do know one thing, and I sware I've lived to see it over again many times.
Be very careful b/c what you give out WILL COME BACK TO YOU. It might take some time, but you can take it to the bank. NO ONE is EXEMPT from this--though they may seem like they are Teflon and nothing sticks. Sure as the sun rising, it will return to them.
Whenever I am screwed over, I don't hope for this for those that are unfair and screw others or me over. But I take a breath and just absolutely KNOW they just marked themselves for the return hit.
So don't say or do the right thing or "act" like you will do the right thing b/c of what it looks like to certain others.
Do it because it is right AND built into the universe are all kinds of laws and checks and balances. Sure as there is gravity, whatever you do and how you do it, you WILL reap. And no excuse or rationalization will change it's return to you.
why do we have to have a term for it? serious answer. why not just look at it on a case-by-case basis.
I totally see what you are saying here--absolutely. But trust me. You have to know by now that there are a significant number of nurses that are very safe and intelligent and caring practitioners that get weeded out b/c of the ridiculously subjective mentalities of others nurses and nurse managers based PRIMARILY ON PERSONALITY. I been a nurse for more than one decade. I have seen it over and over and over and over ad nauseaum.
You are talking about someone who needs complete remediation and very close mentoring to get her to be safe--and even then, who knows. This person needed a more controlled and regularly measured precepting/orientation. Sounds like someone let her off of it WAY TOO SOON. And I might guess that regular measures and meetings for progress were not gone over every week. Apparently this person was smart enough to quit before she was fired.
OTOH, there are very intelligent and competent practitioners as myself and a number of others mind you that have been let go for simply being a tad bit outspoken. And by that, I don't mean not willing to accept constructive direction as to how said particular unit does thus and such--or being disrespectful or insubordinate--even I agree or not, unless it is unsafe,unethical, or immoral, I follow direction, period. I stated to the preceptor, while adjusting to nights again and coming down with the most horrendous flu symptoms over something so ridiculously simple, "Fine, we'll do it you way." I said it again with regard to paperwork, which was secondary to the higher priorities needs of a patient with a thrombus that could not be anticoaguated for a couple of reasons. When he was upset that the paper work, which was required for a send-out and was not critical for that moment or even two hours thereafter (which by the way I had started), I responded, "Fine, we'll do it your way." There are a few other instances very, very similar and relatively benign in interactions, and for that, admiting that clinically I was on the ball, they let me go. Said, lol, I wouldn't fit with the team. Hmmm, well, I have busted my butt to help any team I've been on. Something just wasn't right about the whole thing, and I kept ignoring the little voice in my head and the feeling in my gut. I believe in a team that truly commits to being collegial with each other--not covert games that are rationalized as "good team formation." That's not the way to get a team of excellence anyway. I am beginning to think that they found someone that they could bring in for $15,000 less per year--and in this economic nightmare that hospitals are even having to contend with, that's what they did. I suspect something like that may indeed be part of it.
At this point, I will learn what Ican about myself and how to be Oh so very careful with every miniscule thing I say or show on my face. And I will learn to be more observant about the dynamics and listen to that voice in my head and the feeling in my gut--and if it's telling me to move on, I am going to move on.
This is the problem when you get let go. People assume it is for the kinds of incompetencies that you have described mama. The next potential employer or others in the field do not necessarily know that you are let go for reasons that have to do with personalities and games that have nothing to do with you being a very effective, competent clinician or have nothing to do with you being a collegial, cooperative, loyal employee.
They have to start developing objective systems of evaluation with regular and full documentation. Why should a good nurse's reputation be put on the line for nonsense? And it happens a lot more than you may think.
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