PureLifeRN 5,610 Views
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4 year(s) of experience
100% agree! If it's only been one month she is completely overreacting.
The OP comes off as very unreasonable/demanding.
Don't you want him to do what he needs to do to be successful? He is working hard to make a better future. Be supportive.
You're not demonstrating your kindness on this thread, nor are you demonstrating a lack of judgement. In fact, you're demonstrating the opposite. The fact that you caught on and are deleting your post is a small point in your favor, but doesn't negate the original unkindness, cluelessness and hypocrisy.
I also lose respect for people who gossip...
Heidi is self-absorbed and naive.
Dr. Dick ( my current favorite disparaging term by the way) is self- absorbed and unfaithful.
Neither would gain my attention at work.... I have other things to do.
Keep out of the rumor and the fray. Some people have weird personal lives that are messed up, not something we would do....you just never, ever know. For what it is worth, MD may not even still be with the wife, pregnant or not--and the young nurse may not be having any sort of an affair, just a really close friend. Could be his niece. Could be another obscure relative/friend of my father's stuff. You just don't know. (and with the difficulty in any number of new grads getting jobs, this is plausible--everyone seems to need to know someone--to what extent, we just don't know).
There are many who jump to the conclusion that people are having affairs. While that may be the case, it has nothing to do with how Heidi practices as a nurse. Huge error in judgement as far as bringing it to work--break room or not--however, what they do on their time is their thing.
I would keep what you saw to yourself. I would not comment when asked. I would not continue a rumor and gossip. Because even though they may be having a bang-up time--and again, we do not KNOW that this is the case--she is a 21 year old young lady (and at 21, fresh outta college, any number can and do fall for anything in the romance department) and he is older, wiser, and should know better--but unfortunetely, it falls on the female that somehow she is to "blame" for all of this. And moreso, the comments about this nurse's looks, right down to the tailored scrubs--that really has little to do with it.
To put it another way--I have no respect for men who prey on young girls for their own entertainment **in my personal life** and bring all the nonsense to work so it becomes part of my professional life with the never ending speculation, gossip and all around trashing of the nurse in this, as opposed to the MD, as opposed to anyone, because quite frankly, it is none of my business.
Yeah, I don't participate on Breakroom much either. Anyone right of center or traditionally religious is completely unwelcome there, and will suffer ridicule and attack. I don't need my blood pressure that high, thanks.
I've been following this thread for some time. Let me share my observations.
Regarding the opening post. Obviously, the OP is trying to be sensationalist with the title. She/He uses rough and ready language. 'The world is a nasty place, grow up, know when to shut your mouth, life isn't fair, get used to it'. I didn't like the tone of the opening post, but obviously it resonated with a lot of folk here who pressed the Thank You button.
The OP is obviously annoyed with some real life people, as well as the people here who complain about bullying in the workplace.
Then, the usual generational arguments ensued. Now, I'm a baby boomer, in my 50s. I find these arguments amusing. First of all, my generation wasn't exactly respectful of our elders. We rebelled against conventions. There used to be a saying way back when "Don't trust anyone over 30". But reading all nurses, you'd think we were the model of respectful propriety! Quite the opposite, I'd say. We were marching in the streets, protesting, free love, birth control pills and abortions, living together instead of marriage.
Then we raised a generation or two that we spoiled and spoon-fed through life. And, how many 'older' nurses do you know who are enabling their adult children? Some of the crankiest old bats I work with are raising their grandchildren 'cause their own offspring are dysfunctional. Yet, they'll ride young nurses really hard and complain about the lack of work ethic of young people today!
And speaking of young people, they are just as mean and nasty as the older one. I've personally felt intimidated by younger nurses who create cliques at work and engage in negative social behaviors that undermine teamwork.
In short, our profession needs more civility. Unfortunately, some of our traditions are rooted in a hierarchical system from an era when women had few career choices. Nursing students lived at their schools, lost a lot of their rights, and were virtual indentured servants to the hospitals where they trained. Now it's going through growing pains as it continues to mature into a true profession. I think the education system needs to address this. True professionals should not be talking like truck drivers or construction workers (no offense to those fine folk)
We need to learn manners, young and old. We need to learn communication skills. And we need to be taught teamwork!
Not sure how these replies work I just copied and pasted in response to ruby's reply to my original message.
12:19 am by Ruby Vee
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This isn't an original thread. Or even an original topic. Others have made threads like this before. Seems more like an attention-seeking whine actually. Why else title the thread "sure to get flamed for this"? Are you happy, OP, that your whine post is just as pointless as those who whine about being bullied? You're the same as them. Treat others with the same respect you'd want for yourself. I suggest that you follow your own advice: grow up and act like the adult that you are.
I have two teenagers who often act like their maturity level is that of a toddler, does that count?
Ok. too many variables . Staffing. that goes without being said. Of course inadequate staffing, which is the norm now , will affect pt care . We don't need a study to prove this. The " corporations " want to make the most profit. They don't really care about outcomes then do they, if they don't staff appropriately.
European countries- Why didn't they do the study in the ole US of A? with the main fact that most european countries have socialized medicine. I think that gives a slightly different demographic than here - especially since here we are throwing in medicare and medicaid- and Find me a medicaid pt who doesn't have some chronic or dire condition that is not going to have a bad outcome no matter how many staff are on?
Huh? Can't even imagine any logic behind this argument.
Nope - the 'push' for BSN in acute care is being driven by compelling evidence - higher nurse education levels produce better patient outcomes. Plain and simple. I know, I know - we all know a jillion non-BSN nurses who are just the bee's knees and waaaay better than those snotty BSN grads. But the evidence is based on analysis of aggregate data - not the results of individual nurses.
What a fantastic update!
Respectfully, I have to disagree with what I have bolded. I am a BSN student, and I wouldn't trade my program for the world. I know I am going into it down a leg on skills experience, but what I have gained in theory and from my gen eds, I appreciate 100%. I genuinely feel my degree has been worth every penny, and I have no regrets regarding my choice to start with a BSN, instead of going with one of the quicker routes. Just as you hope we let go of our preconceived notions of the diploma RN, I hope that you let go of your preconceived notions of the BSN.
Good luck to you in your new position!
I have been following this APRN forum for about the past 6 months but this is my first post because I couldn’t stand to see this thread go unopposed. It’s wrong on so many levels. I'll just mentioned a couple biggies.
First, please stop comparing APRNs to doctors. We’re not trying to become doctors or Jr. doctors. We’re a totally different profession, right? Of course we’re different. Accountants are different from financial analysts, although they may overlap in some areas. Different professions, different training.
Second, all these problems discussed above are “input” problems. That’s the wrong focus, a red herring. You need to look at outcomes. Are NP outcomes inferior to MD outcomes. The evidence says ‘No’. Do patients who see NPs have poorer outcomes that those care for by doctors? Nope. Are there more malpractice suits in states where NPs can work independently from doctors? Nope. What the biggest difference between the two as far as outcomes? Patients tend to like their NPs better . These are facts, not just my own personal opinion.
Lastly, although the OP(chillnurse) is an NP, Dranger is a med student (mentions in another post about taking the MCAT) and carachel2 has mentioned before about rather seeing an doctor than an NP if he/she had to see a new provider. I have been reading! So, your responses come as no big surprise but let’s try to go by what the evidence says regarding NPs vs. doctors. A primary care doctor who goes by what the research says should have no qualms about hiring a new grad NP.
Insufficient clinical education -does not meet state minimum requirements for nursing education.
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