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Joined Mar 14, '04 - from 'California, USA'. herring_RN is a retired registered nurse. She has '>40 years' year(s) of experience and specializes in 'Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical'. Posts: 17,110 (73% Liked) Likes: 34,060

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  • Sep 18

    http://www.slcdocs.com/civreview/PCF/C2017-0062.pdf

    Very interesting read. These are the documents from the investigative panel for the SLPD that found both officers had violated policy.

  • Sep 18

    Quote from Neats
    I am a Management RN who has worked as management before becoming an RN. I care about patient safety but am able to look at the whole picture and have information available to me that line staff more than likely do not. I have worked in union and non-union environments.
    Developing a staffing model is an art if you will. Most people think only "bean counters" decide how much staff we get.
    When I do develop a staffing model I get input from staff. I have provided schedules (no names on it) and times we need higher coverage than others. I have also provided an empty schedule (no times with the caveat of some must have criteria i.e. there must be coverage 24/7)...this one I get my best results and a very creative schedule that with some tweaking success for staff.

    I agree with what is written here and patient safety but I really do not think a class action lawsuit is the answer. What I think is the ANA, and any other health profession association band together and submit a Problem, Solution and discussion formation to our Nation leadership. Invite your local congress senator, mayor, governor to your facility for the day at a time when they are feeding, passing medication, putting in bed for a afternoon rest... you know the busy times. I know from being in Long Term Care to have staffing ratios and the reimbursement that goes with it would make a difference in so many lives however I would want this to be made in a thoughtful way because be careful what you wish for once we get government input then our administrative costs', documentation, and everything else we do is so much more than what we bargained for to begin with. I want to see staff busy not overloaded in an unsafe way, I do not want to see staff sitting around because there is nothing to do.

    I urge my healthcare profession to carefully think before acting so that any changes are sound and not cost prohibitive.

    Bring a solution that includes higher reimbursement form CMS in writing with thousands of signatures not only from nurses but other healthcare staff and patients would be prudent and may work with public pressure in a coordinated, formal and professional way would be refreshing and certainly remembered in that we directed our own path and hopefully worked.

    Lastly people often think the companies reap the rewards for profit at the expense of staff, although this may seem true at times I can say in the Long Term care setting profit is not more than 3 percent at most so already they are operating bare bones.
    "I do not want to see staff sitting around because there is nothing to do." Are you serious? The last 12hr shift I worked I was running back and forth like a chicken with my head cut off from 7 to about 3:30. I made myself take a seat for 10 min and eat a candy bar so I wouldn't pass out. I wouldn't want to add more stress to my coworkers by becoming an admission or being sent home.

    Management, It's okay to see nurses sit. It's not against the law.

    Also, I like to sit down and chart. You know document all that stuff that's supposedly required.

  • Sep 17

    Quote from Boomer MS, RN
    Yes it does. Very interesting....I suspect he may be in a heap of trouble.
    probably should have been about 26 years ago.

  • Sep 17

    Thank you for being a nurse. Thank you for showing the world that we take our jobs seriously and that we truly do care for our patients. I'm sorry for what you went through but thank you for doing the right thing. Thank you Alex!

  • Sep 17

    Quote from DallasRN
    I don't know where you work or what you do but I haven't heard anything even remotely like what you've said. Zero, zip. And why would you want to steal Wubbel's thunder by trying to demonize the president and bring politics into this thread?
    Frankly, i can only hope I would have the courage to stand up for my patients rights as she did. One strong woman representing our profession!
    need to get around more, not just stay here at allnurses. lots of persons were complaining that she should have done what the cop wanted and the court would have sorted it out later.... some I think were using the line to point out the problem when we tell persons of color the same line of BS. But some were serious, and especially when they started in on the CDL issue. Spread your reading wings.

  • Sep 17

    It's not alright to abuse anybody, whatever their status. I'm required to render the best possible care to my patients regardless of what I might otherwise think of them, their behavior or their beliefs. It's the same for law enforcement. It's why we have laws or policies or ethical standards in the first place. They are simply agreements we operate under on a daily basis that try to mitigate the harm we would normally cause each other if we just did whatever we felt like doing.
    I can't just decide to do whatever I want on the floor and as a cop I was held to similar standards. Nurses and cops both have positions of civil responsibility.
    Civil norms and utilizing agreed upon procedures for settling differences are what differentiate mobs from civil societies. I only wish law makers were held as stringently to standards of ethics and civil behavior as nurses are.

  • Sep 17

    I STAND VERY PROUD of ALEX WUBBELS !

    Unquestionably, like everyone else after viewing the video of this incident, in my opinion nurse Alex Wubbels behaved accordingly by obeying the rules and regulations of her facility. Having said that, no one and I mean no one has the right to aggressively handcuffed you or shove you out of your facility because you’re not abiding by their orders in your workplace; and that includes the police. At this level, I have zero tolerance for any abuse directed towards my staff, neither verbally or fiscally it’s NOT tolerated. Furthermore, what the police should have done in this case was to ask for the supervisor and this could have been avoided as she/him could have indicated that nurse Wubbels was abiding by the rules of their facility. This goes without saying, I do hope this sends a message to anyone out there that thinks that is alright to abuse nurses. Therefore, she should press charges in order to get the message out that we nurse’s deserve respect across the states.

  • Sep 17

    So proud of her!

    I'm saddened that she had to go through what she did, but grateful as well. If things like this can happen to a highly-respected nurse, we have a real problem with law enforcement. That's not a "dig" on law enforcement, just an observation that they can and should be doing a better job of policing their own. Nurses probably take the policing their own too far, law enforcement doesn't take it far enough. If you get past the emotions, it's an opportunity to correct a wrong & fix things in a way that benefits everyone.

  • Sep 16

    Quote from ConnieDiamondWhite
    Since the episode, I have heard that this nurse "was making a big thing out of nothing" and that she was acting for the camera. Apparently those persons feel it is OK for cops to push nurses around, even though we see on television every night that they are being unfair to criminals. Nurses apparently don't fall into that category, so any "big bad cop" can just beat up on a female. to make her do his bidding.
    I don't know where you work or what you do but I haven't heard anything even remotely like what you've said. Zero, zip. And why would you want to steal Wubbel's thunder by trying to demonize the president and bring politics into this thread?
    Frankly, i can only hope I would have the courage to stand up for my patients rights as she did. One strong woman representing our profession!

  • Sep 16

    I am a retired nurse, who graduated in 1970. I was enraged by what happened to this nurse. I write a blog, so I wrote a post about Alex Wubbels, who by the way is a hero to me, all nruses and her patients. McCleary MRSA Prevention >> What did we learn from Alex Wubbels?

  • Sep 16

    I've seen quite a few trollsl attacking her for "not complying with DOT regulations concerning mandatory testing of CDL holders", but they were not nurses or were even related to any health care field. they were put into their place.

  • Sep 16

    I think you're ok on your username, you make it clear you are a nurse2b, you're not claiming an unearned degree, licensure, or certification. Some places are incredibly toxic, some are awful to Stine s and new grads in particular. I'm a new grad, and in a part time job because I'm also now in a full time BSN program. One of my favorite things about my job is that there is NO backbiting, no politics, it's a true team effort, with everyone supporting everyone else. I feel respected, supported, and appreciated. I sure didn't feel that way in school, except that one special rotation. You'll get through, keep your head down, your mouth mostly shut. Learn everything you can, and move on. Good luck to you!

  • Sep 16

    Well done!!! Those are the moments we live for.

  • Sep 16

    Very nice when kids learn self sufficiency. I remember when my son got to the point when he could run is own bg tests and do his shots.

  • Sep 16

    I had a girl in the camp I worked at doing her growth hormone shot and did herself for the first time there and was so happy when she did. We gave her chocolate.

    So proud of him! Good for him!


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