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Joined Apr 2, '03 - from 'Denver, CO, US'. klone is a Charge Nurse, Women's Health/Public Health. She has '10' year(s) of experience and specializes in 'OB/Gyn, research, lactation'. Posts: 10,661 (54% Liked) Likes: 24,775

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  • May 26

    Quote from klone
    LadyFree, you should edit your post and delete the link.
    Done.

  • May 26

    Quote from AdianA2
    I got into this forum with my question because I read an article called "First-gang-members-now-meth-dealers-want-your-health-records".
    I read this "article", which is more of an elaborate ad to get providers to buy "HIPAA security training".


    Now my cookies will be invaded; I'm more annoyed by this than a meth dealer grabbing hold of my records and now inclined to think this was an elaborate ruse to get posters to go to this site alone as a way to promote traffic and this product.

  • May 26

    Quote from AdianA2
    Forgive me, I am unaware if my question is against the TOS. I am asking for the opinion of those who know hipaa regulations. It is a hipaa question.
    The nursing knowledge of HIPAA does not cover who can be a HIPAA auditor. It's kind of like asking a bus driver if a felon can change his tires.

  • May 26

    Quote from AdianA2
    My question is "is it legal" not if it can happen. (I lost my logins, I created a new account. Sorry)
    This is a nursing site, not a lawyer site.

  • May 23

    I kind of hate that things get put on FB. AN is pretty nurse specific, you have to go on the site and be searching for a nursing forum. FB is public, so anyone can see it, including teachers, and our vent about their non-medical judgement may cause animosity. I wouldn't ever want my patients to hear my vent. As nurses, our vents are normally harmless, it doesn't influence the care we give, but it gives us a way to decompress. IMO it should remain in the AN forum.

  • May 22

    Quote from twinsmom788
    Quit ASAP.
    That seems like quite the leap, based on the limited information presented in the OP.

  • May 22

    Quote from Alex Egan
    [...]
    additionally is where you live a right to work state? In such case your employer can fire you for any reason or no reason at all unless it's because you are a member of a protected class. So no chance of a case there.
    [...]
    Actually, the term you're referring to is at will employment.

    A right to work state is one in which you can not be compelled to join a union as a condition of employment.

  • May 22

    Quote from ERgirlynurse
    Thanks for the comments. I was not referring to suing the hospital. I was merely asking about contacting a lawyer. Don't feel I need a therapist but thanks for the suggestion. Of course I am glad to not be dealing with the BON. Just have had multiple long time nurses tell me to seek out a lawyer. Thanks for all the comments
    Lol. Of course you were referring to suing. That's why your thread is titled "Terminated. Pursue a Lawsuit?" SMH...

    Your colleagues were suggesting you contact a lawyer because they realize that your behavior screams diversion. Whether you did or did not, that's what a reasonable person would suspect.

  • May 22

    I've seen this happen a couple of times in 30-plus years as a psych nurse. I've found that the nurse usually has at least as much pathology as the ex-patient they're dating. And it's not always the patient that's the vulnerable one. Some of these guys are cons and know how to weave their way into some idiotic nurse's heart. Either way, this is definitely a bad situation and somebody needs to have a talk with Nurse Hot Pants.

  • May 21

    Quote from Irish_Mist
    Sexual assault? Seriously?
    When your sexuality has been violated- acts such as this can be resurface a lot of things. Your genital areas are not some area that health care providers can just do as they like.

  • May 21

    Quote from Barbie8808
    WOW! Sexual assault?!?!? Thats extreme. But lets say we took it that far, am I sexually assaulting a female patient when Im changing her diaper because I obviously have to wipe her vagina? How about when I put a condom cath on (I hope I'm allowed to do that as CNA and all lol) That mean's I have to touch the patient's penis, right? What about shaving a patient in general? I have shaven plenty of beards with and without permission just to make the the patient appear well kempt. For now on my patients will look like Santa claus before I ever pick up a razor lol
    I'm sure you can tell the difference between touching a patient's vulva to clean off excrement (the vagina is the internal canal, and should not be penetrated for peri care) vs touching a patient's vulva when you were supposed to be checking their tele leads.

    I'm sure you can tell the difference between shaving an unconscious patient who cannot express his wishes, and shaving an otherwise a/o x3 patient who is sedated for a procedure.

    I doubt that you intend to change your practice based on my position that clipping pubic hair while a patient is unconscious (and you have no medical reason to do) so is inappropriate. It is inappropriate both because altering a patient's hair without consent and necessity is wrong and because touching a patient's genitals without necessity is wrong.

    Patients have the right to have their wishes regarding their own body and hair respected. If having the hair on your head cut without permission is an issue (and it is; links and previous discussion here) then having your pubic hair shaved without permission is an issue.

  • May 21

    Quote from Irish_Mist
    Does sexual fondling not mean grabbing, groping or touching genitalia for the purpose of sexual gratification? One does not have to "fondle" another to shave their public hair. I totally can understand why someone would be upset about their pubic hair being shaved without their permission. But calling it sexual assault is exaggeration. Arguing about the semantics of shaved pubic hair is ridiculous especially when there are multiple cases of rape, child molestation and trafficking happening EVERY DAY. Should her pubic hair been shaved without her consent? No. But it is not sexual assault. Calling it that is a mockery to real cases of sexual assault.
    Sexual violence survivor here, so don't tell me I'm trivializing myself by advocating for someone else's right to not have their genitals handled and altered without consent. You cannot put sexual violations on a hierarchy of who's allowed to be hurt and how much.

    Whether it is sexual assault to handle someone's genitals and shave them, legally, depends on the motive of the person who did it. The motive in this case was clearly not to provide medical care, and the patient was unconscious and unable to consent/refuse, discuss, or even observe the procedure. If you have touched a patients genitals with no valid reason, it IS valid to ask what the motive actually was.

    Even if you don't view it as sexual assault, there is no reason to laugh at a patient who has had their intimate body parts handled and altered without consent. Even if you don't believe it's sexual, it's deeply personal. It should never have happened, and dismissing a patient who had that experience and was horrified by it is just plain wrong.

    Edited to add: I'd also like to note that to a survivor, having your bodily autonomy violated in nonsexual ways still evokes the fear and helplessness that "real" sexual assault created. Hearing other people tell you "It's not a big deal" is damaging. Hearing that healthcare professionals think it's funny turns my stomach.

  • May 21

    ... And here I thought this was a not-so-serious thread topic. Guess I'm wrong.

    Aesthetic considerations aside, I'd certainly urge caution to anyone wanting to offer to trim any hair from a patient's body. Certainly make sure you have their consent first (with only a few limited exceptions).

    Hey, I'm all for grooming in hospitals but you better be prepared to offer to trim my facial hair, wax my back AND offer me a pedi/mani as well. Otherwise... Hands off my pheromone generator.

    Dany

  • May 21

    Good lord, people. CNA scope is defined by the state, just like RN practice, so there are bound to be differences from state to state. OP was pretty accurate when they said everyone responds essentially the same: "in MY state/facility/whatever that would never be allowed." This same topic has come up at least a half dozen times, and it blows people away every time. Just because you've never seen or heard of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist or can't happen. Mind your own practice and assume that OP's facility and coworkers who are licensed in the same state probably know more about what's legal for OP to do than you do. Get over it. Please. Just let it go.

    Further, regarding the "you can't control how people respond" thing... This is true, but isn't there some rule - applied kind of unevenly - about keeping threads on topic? The thread is about OP wanting to shave their patients' pubic hair. How is that not rife for conversation?

    On that topic... you probably shouldn't shave a patient for your convenience. You could ask the patient, "Listen, Mr. Bear, you have a blackberry thicket down there that I'd like to trim back to more of a grassy knoll. Awkward, I know, but in the long run it'll mean my hand is in your butt crack less, which seems like a win-win, am I right?" If there's an infection risk (skin break down, wound, etc), then it may be indicated... send it up the chain. Also, for the love of god, as a PP said, go get the clippers from the cath lab. They shave groins on the regular. I don't want to shave some dude's forearm with clippers that were just down your patient's pants.

  • May 21

    Quote from calivianya
    On the flip side, I had a patient have abdominal surgery and wake up with me in ICU. She was very startled that someone had shaved her pubes. She asked me why it was done and I told her that I honestly had no idea. Her surgical incision didn't go that low or anything, and ALL of the pubes were gone.

    The lost pubes bothered her more than the surgical pain - just the idea that someone would shave her pubes without asking her was intolerable, apparently. She said if she wanted her pubes shaved she would have shaved them herself. Something about the whole situation struck me as really hilarious.
    I guess sexual assault is hilarious to some people.


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