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I think you just mentioned the big difference between a registered nurse in the US and in the UK. Nursing in the UK is the like Licensed Practical Nurse in the USA. I know basic care is taught in nursing school but wiping patients's asses without mask??? SERIOUSLY?? you do not find anything wrong with that?
I think it is just a matter of cultural difference. Nurses in the US are divided into RN, LPN, CNA, PCT. In the UK, YOU DO ALL THAT! Even kitchen stuffs...
And here's me thinking the "too posh to wash" nurse was just a meme made up to belittle modern university trained nurses.
I agree, but we seem to have a living, breathing example.
I worked as a RN in the UK but i am now in the US. to cut it short, you will do "hands on" in the uk like cleaning nappies without masks! Cleaning the room, serving tea. YES, THAT IS A REGISTERED NURSE. And you will lose your skill even as simple as documentation because they are simply narrating it.. doesnt matter if it is not medically appropriate words like HAPPY. Stethoscope isnt used regularly. Basically, RN job there is very limited to being like Florence Nightingale. There is more autonomy in the US and higher technology. This is the truth.. i tell you, no mask except for patients with PTB.
Hi . I just read this too late. I worked as RN in the UK and now in the US. my husband is also in USAF. Although there Re more paid leaves in the UK , the salary is way too much lower than in the USA. Pkus the taxes in the UK is like triple than here (tax plus NI). Most notable difference is lack of autonomy in the UK. Nurses there are more overworked .. you have to wash the patient, change nappies without masks for god's sake, and clean the room. plus SERVE TEA. I was like a servant or barista.
I prefer the USA more. Here, nurses are skilled.. and more scientific and hightech. Plus, you can easily have financial stability because of higher salary and lower taxes. UK always brag about "free NHS" but it is not free at all..just look how much percentage of their earnings go to the government. 30%?? Out of £23,000 band 5 nurse salary PER YEAR.
thanks for your reply, and answering my question
thanks for your reply, but you didnt answer my question. Put simply, i am asking whether you can get a promotion from band 5 to 6 in the same department without having to apply, and go through an interview for it as level of education and skill increases.
Unless you were appointed on a trainee contract which specifically states promotion will be gained after successful completion of ........... then no, you should go through a fair and transparent interview process.
Simple answer to your question whether you should all automatically be a band 6 is... money.
Band 6's cost more than band 5's.
My question would be why were staff getting a band 6 for what is basically a clinic post?
Before you answer that can I tell you that I know what is involved in a pre-assessment clinic. This role used to be carried out by the junior doctor and medical students.
So to answer your question should you be a band 6? No in my opinion. Only the charge nurse should be a band 6. Neither would I class you as specialist nurses - sorry.
If you are getting a band 6 for this post - grab it with both hands. Someone somewhere may put a stop to it.
I recently made my first real nursing error/mistake of my career. There was no harm to the patient (thankfully) and they were never in any jeopardy (again, thankfully). I was able to quickly identify the factors that led to my making this mistake. I have learned a valuable lesson and know I will be a better nurse because of it.
What I am struggling with is the shame of making such an error and how I handled it. I didn't handle it with the integrity that I thought I had. I'm sure the shock and fear of what happened impacted my judgement on how I handled it but that is no excuse. I'm sure I will eventually forgive myself for the error since I know what caused it and I've learned from it. But I'm not sure how I can forgive myself for how I handled it.
I walk around work feeling like everyone knows what happened. I don't even want to show my face. I don't know how this will impact me at work. I'm truly mortified over the whole thing. I'm curious if anyone has had a similar experience and how you handled it.
I 1000000000% agree with this post!!
I am a Canadian trained nurse who moved here to the UK two years ago. I did obtain nursing registration here but it was not without (many, MANY) problems. I have yet to practise as I gave birth to my son, however my husband and close friend work for the NHS so I am now quite familiar with nursing here (going for an interview this week, though not overly excited about it!)
Thank you for putting this information out there so eloquently.
Top statements that I completely agree with:
- NMC is awful for too many reasons to list
- Nurses are underpaid (essentially minimum wage which I find incredibly disturbing and disrespectful)
- Nursing is not a respected profession here
For these reasons alone, avoid the UK!
There is no such thing as a nurse practitioner license in the UK. Just the RN license. It's a doozy and will take you several months to get with a lot of paperwork and costs a lot of money. For pitiful pay in return (they pay NPs less than I made as a bedside RN with just a few years of experience)...
NPs are not utilized as widely as they are in the US. I don't know the role of a FNP in the UK or if there is one. They do utilize neonatal NPs.
On the bright side, you no longer have to take the IELTS (English as a foreign language) test in order to get the license
keep us posted on your journey if you decide to go down that path...
eta: here is a link to the NHS pay scales. Postings I've seen for NNPs are paid at band 8A, which converts to a paltry $57k in USD. I currently make more than twice that in the US.
NHS pay scales 217-18 | Royal College of Nursing
This is not a problem in UK, nurses can have up to 1 year off for maternity leave so the issue should never arise.
And yes, I am crowing just a bit.
By your own admission, your husband is the one who outed you. To his best friend. Is it possible your hubby told the friend, who then told his wife and forgot to say "And they really want it to remain private for a little longer"? Why are you so obsessed with nailing this woman to the wall? Because she outed you? Or is there a more 'embarrassing' reason? Few people care if a couple engage in sex before marriage anymore. It's not that big a deal. Let this all go. She did nothing wrong. She wasn't really a friend to begin with, again by your own admission. She's your husband's best friend's wife. If you feel you need to do something about it, just let her know how much it hurt you. Professionally, she has done nothing wrong and cannot be 'punished' because she hurt your feelings and made your husband's family think less of you. Shake it off, pull up your big girl panties, and concentrate on your new marriage and your new pregnancy.
Yep, yet again I have to agree with XB9S. 3 nurses to 8 beds????? Your laughing and yes I would move people in a heartbeat.
Make sure there is a rota for moving so that it is fair and everyone takes their turn.
I did not say it was laughable, I said you were laughing. The exact opposite of what you think I meant.
be laughing Meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
I'm sorry, but up to 30 patients per day maximum between 3 of you, all expected to go home with some of them sitting in chairs is not, or should not, be that worrying. I'm not saying it is easy but very little in nursing is.
I stated; make sure there is a rota to ensure fairness. Complain if this is not being done. Management hate complaints of unfairness that can be substantiated.
I know post op patients can be a bit of work - been there, done that, but how close are you observing patients? Are they still intubated or unconscious when they return?
In your original post you asked for opinions, I gave you mine. Remember, I worked in an ED that would have 150 - 200 patients going through per day with 8 nurses. Moving staff is part of managements role.
You need to balance the benefits of where you are, I presume Monday to Friday and no nights, with your peace of mind.
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