US lawmakers are not first in the line among well-wishers for immigrants

  1. dear suzanne,
    thanks a lot for your assistance and support,
    could i ask you: it seems that us lawmakers are not first in the line among well-wishers for immigrants, i hope the situation with foreign nurses will not become even worse.
    i know that the future of cir and nursing retrogression unpredictable, however:
    1. could you describe the poor scenario if there will be no any congress actions toward immigration. how long should we wait from pd- 5 years or more?
    2. if i-140 has already approved, does it mean that the congress or senate still able to cancel or delay an immigration process? in other words, does the process irreversible or not?
    suzanne, please understand that my questions is not complex of fears and doubts, i have to planning my future and seek other options in case of us immigration process will be retrogressed, so your answers are critical for me and for my friends.
    many thanks!
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  3. by   suzanne4
    It is not that US officials are against foreign nurses, but it is not high on their priority list at the moment. There are many issues with illegal aliens in this country at the moment and that needs to be addressed first. The shortage of nurses is also not as great as you hear in some other countries. There are areas here where you find it extremely hard for a foreign nurse to be petitioned for a green card as an RN. Those areas are able to get enough that apply there that either already have a green card or are Americans and do not need immigration petitioning.

    They have only returned to office about two months ago, and there has been many issues that have needed to be taken care of first. As you have noticed, there are bills that have gone thru but the nurses were not on it. Most that wish to get a green card in the US have to wait five years to get it. Nurses have been able to be fast-tracked over the past few years. But other professions have not, nurses that train in the US can get a green card with only a two year degree, and the others must have at least a Bachelor's degree.

    I do not expect it to take the five years to get the GC, but until some new visas are created or shuffled around, there is nothing that anyone can do. The US govt can always delay or cancel anything, they have the right to do so, same as the governments in any other country.

    They can also restrict visas to nurses from certain countries. Remember that the green card gives you permission to live and work in the US, but nothing more. Any legal issues while on the green card in the US, and they can deport.

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    The nursing unions in the US are trying to limit the number of foreign nurses coming into the US to work. And they also have lobbyists working in Washington. We are seeing nurses that are coming into the US to work now that have very poor clinical skills and are definitely are not on the level of the US nurse, nor those from other countries. This is also placing a damper on things. The unions would like to see the same money invested into training more US nurses.

    I am split right down the middle on this one. If a nurse has the clinical skills and can function with the same orientation that a new American grad gets, then I have no problem. But if they are taking in some facilities up to a year to get trained, that I have issues with.
  4. by   suzanne4
    Just noted that you are from Russia, if and when things open up again, we do not know if it will be for all, or will be limited still for those from the PIC countries. From Russia, you should not have any wait longer. The issue right now is when your I-140 was submitted. If before the retrogression started, then things will move ahead and bills will be sent and DS-230 forms can be submitted. If after, only the I-140 can be approved, and then everything is at a standstill.
  5. by   english_nurse
    surely a nurse with poor skills shouldnt be able to pass nclex?!?

    after all its aimed at American nurses, and is forced down our throat for so long that it can give you a real complex as a nurse from abroad coming to the USA
    Last edit by english_nurse on Mar 19, '07
  6. by   sabadao22
    So nursing unions are the one lobbying congress to limit foreign nurses? if that's the case future nurses coming from PIC will have a hard time or will no longer find employer from US. and retrogression will have a slim chance of being lifted.
  7. by   suzanne4
    Quote from english_nurse
    surely a nurse with poor skills shouldnt be able to pass nclex?!?

    after all its aimed at American nurses, and is forced down our throat for so long that it can give you a real complex as a nurse from abroad coming to the USA
    Theory has nothing to do with actual clinical skills. Being able to start an IV, give an injection and drawing up the medication, and inserting a foley catheter are not on the exam. Priorities are.

    The exam is for graduate nurses that have just completed basic nursing school in the US, it was not designed for those with lots of experience.
  8. by   rusiba
    thanks a lot suzanne for your detail explanations. you are definitely the most competent here.
    you posted:
    theory has nothing to do with actual clinical skills. being able to start an iv, give an injection and drawing up the medication, and inserting a foley catheter are not on the exam. priorities are.
    i have to disagree with you. you forgot that all nurses have to fill out clinical skills list before immigration process starts. do you think that foreign nurses who claim that their have necessary skills are liars?
    another point: i have more that 14 years experience in emergency and critical care, moreover as a nursing supervisor i able to teach nursing skills for young nurses. have i any benefits from that in immigration process? our skills have nothing to do with immigration process, everything depends on good (or bad) will of your wealthy and healthy (for the present!) lawmakers and nursing lobby, which is sleeping successfully.
    bets wishes and god bless you.
  9. by   english_nurse
    maybe if there is an issue with quality of nurses allowed visas, the US shoud be using a skills assessment too?
  10. by   rusiba
    Do you mean that NVC have to ask an additional skills checklist? Or NVC or US Congress should provide their own skills exam?
    It may carry an immigration to the point of absurdity.
    The truth is following: they are seeking cause to say "good-by" politely.
    It is dishonestly: if you do not need foreigh nurses anymore you should say it clearly without any dodges.
    Only employer has legal right to assess prospective candidates, and if employer agrees to sponsor foreign nurse, it is not the business of US authorities to put obstacles in the way of immigration.
  11. by   lawrence01
    Quote from rusiba
    Do you mean that NVC have to ask an additional skills checklist? Or NVC or US Congress should provide their own skills exam?
    It may carry an immigration to the point of absurdity.
    The truth is following: they are seeking cause to say "good-by" politely.
    It is dishonestly: if you do not need foreigh nurses anymore you should say it clearly without any dodges.
    Only employer has legal right to assess prospective candidates, and if employer agrees to sponsor foreign nurse, it is not the business of US authorities to put obstacles in the way of immigration.
    No, there is no such thing. There is no skills assessment being required by NVC and that is not part of their job description.

    The poster merely gave her suggestion that maybe there should be one but if there will ever be one then it would be part of the NCLEX-RN exam much as there is a skills/clinical assessment for the US Medical Licensure Exam (USMLE) that both US Medical graduates and foreign Medical graduates has to do.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Mar 20, '07
  12. by   sabadao22
    Quote from rusiba
    Do you mean that NVC have to ask an additional skills checklist? Or NVC or US Congress should provide their own skills exam?
    It may carry an immigration to the point of absurdity.
    The truth is following: they are seeking cause to say "good-by" politely.
    It is dishonestly: if you do not need foreigh nurses anymore you should say it clearly without any dodges.
    Only employer has legal right to assess prospective candidates, and if employer agrees to sponsor foreign nurse, it is not the business of US authorities to put obstacles in the way of immigration.

    I agree with you..if US do not need foreign nurses anymore they should say it clearly.
  13. by   lawrence01
    Quote from sabadao22
    I agree with you..if US do not need foreign nurses anymore they should say it clearly.
    But there is no such requirements at all and the employers do have the full authority and the prerogative to choose who they hire. The USCIS and the NVC do not have that authority and have their own job description.

    There is absolutely nothing to complain about. :deadhorse

    Anymore comments on such will just create animosity against foreign nurses and will just create a bad impression or a bad taste when there is nothing to complain about in the 1st place.

    Complaining something that doesn't really exist will just give people bad impressions about foreign nurses and give them an excuse to question the professionalism of those who do make such comments.
  14. by   lawrence01
    Just giving a friendly reminder to everyone to keep every discussion friendly and always respect the opinions of others.

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