Journey of a foreign nurse getting licensure

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!!!! Just found out that I am eligible for a license with the UK!!!!! Here is my journey as an American nurse:

In 2010 after marrying my British hubby, I started to research into getting a British nursing license as well as British immigration. Although we were nowhere near moving to the UK (not least because it made no sense to go until DH gets dual citizenship), I wanted to look into the process because I am an obsessive planner. I applied for my first initial nursing job 6 months before I graduated from nursing school and currently I have five plans laid out for our finances over the next 10 years. In the end, we've decided to wait until after we have children (when they are old enough to remember it).

I was pretty discouraged as many posts suggested that Americans with the traditional BSNs (no ADNs allowed under the rules unless also have a BSN) didn't have nearly enough theory/clinical hours. The average American program has ~500-1000 clinical hours and ~2300 for the British program. Looking into the British nursing programs, it seemed like the students end up being in a hospital almost like a full-time job.

Then...this happened:

https://allnurses.com/united-kingdom-nurses/clinical-hours-short-506526.html

Member helricha had applied for a nursing license and didn't have all the required hours. While talking to a decision officer at the NMC (different from the first-line telephone answer folks), it turned out that the minimum they would accept (from American BSNs, I don't know if this applies to other countries) was 1,500 hours, at least half of which needed to be clinical hours and at least 1/3 of it being theory hours. More on this later.

I decided that I might as well try to apply for a license now as it would be better to try and know. If I didn't make the cut, I planned to ask if RN refresher courses with clinicals or graduate school with clinicals would count.

And so, I took the IELTS (academic). Yes, you may groan, but every system in the history of world has its idiosyncrasies, why should the NMC be so bereft? It's required of anyone not trained in the EU. My DH informed me that language requirements are not legal among countries in the EU, which is why an Italian had no need to take the IELTS, yet I as a native speaker, would. I briefly looked online to know what to expect, but I assumed it wouldn't be too hard as English is my first language. It ended up using a few more of my mental faculties than I imagined and I feel dreadfully sorry for those who have to take it as a second language. All in all, I ended up with a 8.0 in listening, 9.0 in reading, 7.0 in writing, and a 8.5 in speaking, having achieved the minimum "7." It was pretty awkward completing the speaking proportion and I ended up babbling a lot about how Communism decreased tourism in the 1970s...:uhoh3:

Having received my scores, I requested the first packet from the NMC, which only took about two weeks. Along with the application form, I had to send in a certified copy of my birth and marriage certificate, a notarized copy of my nursing license, and a payment. I ended up doing this part over the phone as it was easier for my credit card to do the payment.

The second packet took about three weeks to get and took about a month for me to get everything ready. I had to get my board of nursing to sign a form of my good conduct, two references of good conduct from my managers, a signed form from my doctor of good health, and transcripts from my school. The important thing to remember here is that each form has to have a stamp/seal from the place from who is signing it. The BON and my doctor had stamps, so that was no problem. The hospital was, so I had them write a short letter on official hospital letterhead stating that there was no hospital stamp and that they had signed the form.

And now...the transcripts.

They have to be listed in hours instead of credits. The registrar office, due to the integrity of transcripts, would not print them out in hours, so I contacted my nursing school and asked how many hours each credit was worth. Once we calculated it all out, I made a template of all my nursing related classes and divided them into theory and clinical hours. I also listed my non-nursing classes like English and Math, but didn't include those in the total. I had the office print it out on official university letterhead and seal and to complete the form totaling all the hours.

I ended up with about ~700 theory hours and ~800 clinical hours. It just barely met the minimum, but I sent it all off in hopes. I was told that it takes about 5-7 weeks to make a decision. The NMC told me that they received everything on November 8th.

Today, on December 9th, I found out that I have been accepted!!! :clpty:

I will now figure out when I want to take the Overseas Nursing Programme (ONP). It's about a month, but some programs only have 3 in-class days and then you complete a workbook in between. Here's a http://www.nmc-uk.org/Approved-Programmes/ to where you can find places where you can take the ONP. Per the UKBA http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/visiting/student/visa/, you don't need a visa to do the ONP (and as per Bourneouth University for their program as I've asked). However, it is with extreme caution that I tell you this and I would NEVER lie about your intentions to a UK officer at the border and I would not take my word for it but you need to investigate this on your own. It can get you banned for life. Do NOT this info take this lightly.

I need to complete the ONP within two years otherwise start this process over again...no way Jose!

Now, a word on immigration. The economy sucks. Whether you think it's because of Bush or Obama, the US economy has tanked and is slowly recovering and due to the disproportionate influence over the rest of the world, we have dragged most other countries into it and the UK is no exception (although I'm sure Greece didn't help things out either...) What does this mean for the average person?

That the NHS is in financial trouble and is laying off many of its own nurses. A foreigner with no claim to EU citizenship or spouse of one has little chance of getting a job. Because...you would need company sponsorship and they have to prove that they can't hire anyone in the UK or the EU with your qualifications. In fact, the shortage occupation list only has NICU and OR (theatre) as needs right now and I doubt even then that someone with no ties would be able to get a job. By all means, you can try to get a license and keep it up for several years and wait to see if the economy improves. As memory recalls, it's 75 pounds a year to keep it current.

As someone who is the spouse of a UK citizen, I will have the same employment hiring rights as a UK citizen if I get "Indefinite Leave to Remain" (the UK green card equivalent), except for political and security hush-hush jobs, I'm sure.

In any case...I wish you luck and I will answer questions regarding the process if you like, but remember than I am no expert and my knowledge is only based upon my own experience. Just because I have been successful does not mean someone else would. I only ask that you read what I wrote here and don't ask things already answered...

NMC Overseas Registration Outline:

http://www.nmc-uk.org/Registration/Joining-the-register/Trained-outside-the-EU--EEA/

BabyRN,

I'm in the process of getting my UK license. I need some help. I got the first pack and sent all the certified documents; however, the notary failed to mention that the copies were "true" photo copies, now i have to re-send everything to them. After this, what should I do in order to prepare for the second pack. What are the documents that I need to send to them? What are the words that should be included. Do you by chance know the formula to convert the hours for BSN degree? I did the traditional BSN in 3.5 years. It's getting a little frustrating... I started this in Aug 2012. I'll be getting married in Feb 2013, and would like to have my decision letter before then... Help please. thanks

Specializes in NICU.

There's nothing that you can really do. If you read my post, I have a list of the things that i sent in, but you have to use their forms, so there's nothing you can really do to prepare. Make sure you get a seal/stamp on everything, or something on letterhead stating there is none (again, please see what I wrote). There is no general formula for converting hours. It's completely dependent on the school. You should ask your dean how many hours of clinical time you had in each course. Most schools have something like a a set number of hours per credit per week per semester.

edit: You do need an official set of transcripts (this is in addition to the conversion of hours sheet), so you can request that, I suppose.

BabyRN,

Thank you for your post! I realize that this was a while ago but I am in the process of becoming registered right now and was wondering if you also converted the prerequisite classes on your forms or just the nursing courses? My nursing school is helping with the nursing classes but im not sure what to do about everything else as the school i attended said they had no way of converting the hours and have not been helpful. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!

Specializes in NICU.

I'm pretty sure I did, but I can't say that for sure 100%. I know that only the courses that had the NURS title in them were allowed to count for clinical hours.

Most universities have a standard set of hours per course per credit hours. Maybe you could look into that. You can always call the NMC themselves and ask (although ask to speak to an agent, not the first person you talk to as they have given me wrong information before as the frontline people).

best of luck; let us know how it goes! your experience could help someone else!

Specializes in Neurology.

Reading various people's experiences with the registration process has been extremely helpful for me. I feel like it's helping me prepare for what may or may not happen in trying to get registered in the U.K., even if it will still be a couple of years before I can begin the process. My fingers are crossed for all of us!

Hi, I'm also researching getting licensed in the UK. I'm an American OB nurse with 13 years of experience, but only an ADN degree. Does anyone have any advice on a good program to look into to qualify for an NMC license, or would any bachelor's program do? Or at this point do I need a master's degree to even get started? I tried contacting the NMC directly last year, but got a very vague, "you don't qualify now, contact us when you have more education." which didn't help much. Good luck to all in this quest!

Specializes in NICU.

Plain and simple: you have to get a BSN. I doubt they would accept you in the UK into school because all of their programs are bachelor's degrees and you'd have to start all over again, least of which they are nationally funded programs (their degrees are free as far as I'm aware), so very difficult to get in the first place as an international student.

best of luck!

For a new grad, how much experience is needed before starting the application process?

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
For a new grad, how much experience is needed before starting the application process?

If looking for satisfying NMC requirements 12 months full time or equivalent is required but check NMC for definite

Thanks for posting this @babyrn I have some questions about transferring my license to the UK I am currently a dialysis nurse and my fiance stays in London so I'm planning on relocating within the next 6 months I have an ADN and a bachelor's in another field but I'm not sure that counts but I'm just needing some advice on how to go about transferring my license if possible any advice would help thanks!

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
Thanks for posting this @babyrn I have some questions about transferring my license to the UK I am currently a dialysis nurse and my fiance stays in London so I'm planning on relocating within the next 6 months I have an ADN and a bachelor's in another field but I'm not sure that counts but I'm just needing some advice on how to go about transferring my license if possible any advice would help thanks!

You can not transfer a license. You have to meet NMC requirements which will be changing in the fall. Currently ADN does not meet requirements as clinical and theory hours must meet a certain amount on your transcripts. I suggest contacting the NMC and ask to speak to someone experienced in dealing with International trained nurses and ask them if your bachelor's in another area will benefit you

Specializes in NICU.

Feel free to post your questions and I will help you as I can, but be aware that they've changed the process a bit since I did it a couple of years ago.

You do need a BSN, another bachelor's degree will not count, that much I do know.

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