AOS filers from July 2007 - page 3

Just thought it might be fun to have a place to check what other AOS filers experiences have been, with this recent group of applications. I filed July 18, 2007 and just had my checks cashed. This... Read More

  1. by   Silverdragon102
    Quote from Snowstorm
    Suzanne, did you read my post? Any comments about were 14,363 Schedule "A" visas have gone?

    Schedule "A" visas can be used for schedule "A" professionals only
    and has nothing to do with 800,000 (I doubt it's a correct number) programmers, engineers, etc. submitted their applications in June, July, August 2007. Schedule "A" is a part of EB3. But Schedule "A" category had it's own quota and was listed as a separate category. Open any visa bulletin from June, 2005 to October, 2006 and see it yourself.
    During that period Jun 05 - Oct 06 Schedule A did exist for nurses but since I think it was Feb this year Schedule A for nurses no longer exist, nurses reverted back to just EB3 Oct 06 and have been affected ever since. As far as I am aware schedule A was removed as there was no longer any visas to allocate.

    Also to add you give a quote in post 24 of approx 14,000 not used but hard to predict as the 50,000 also included family members and very hard to predict how many family members there where, some people went by them selves where others may easily include 5-6 in the family unit.
    Last edit by Silverdragon102 on Oct 13, '07 : Reason: add
  2. by   Snowstorm
    Quote from suzanne4
    And the bigger picture for you to understand is that there were more than 800,000 petitions that were submitted when you got yours in during the July/August open window of opportunity.

    According to USCIS they received 68,498 I-485 applications to adjust status in July 2007 http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/A...ITS_July07.pdf

    and 116,177 I-485 applications to adjust status in August 2007.

    http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/A...FITS_Aug07.pdf

    184,675 applications to adjust status all together in July/August 2007
    including family based cases.

    If you find a better source let me know.
  3. by   suzanne4
    Quote from Snowstorm
    Suzanne, did you read my post? Any comments about were 14,363 Schedule "A" visas have gone?

    Schedule "A" visas can be used for schedule "A" professionals only and has nothing to do with 800,000 (I doubt it's a correct number) programmers, engineers, etc. submitted their applications in June, July, August 2007. Schedule "A" is a part of EB3. But Schedule "A" category had it's own quota and was listed as a separate category. Open any visa bulletin from June, 2005 to October, 2006 and see it yourself.
    Yes, I did read it and posted to where they have gone. There were over 60,000 recapped visas that were distributed over the past few months, primarily for those that started the AOS process back in 2006 and have been waiting for their visas since then. I am well aware of the statistics, and am aware of what the US State Dept has been doing all along. And just to set the record straight, the Schedule A was not for nurses only, physical therapists were also included with that as we do have a shortage of those as well in the US, and now since the beginning requirement is at least Master's prepared for that field. But none the less, they were under the Schedule A as well as also are required to get a Visa Screen Certificate just like you.

    I am not even speaking of the 800,000 plus that just got their petitions submitted; including even you in this number. There were no visas available when these petitions were accepted in the first place, and that was a very well known fact to start off with.

    What you are not realizing is that there are still many that started the AOS before the deadline of last October 31 that went thru Nebraska Service Center and still do not have their green cards either at this time. There were over 60,000 that were recapped and used for those that had been in the process since before the retrogression started and received them in June, July and August of this year; that is where they have gone to. And what you are forgetting is that dependents are included with those numbers, they are not for the nurse only. And if you remember back to the end of June/beginning of July when everything blew up about the visas not being available, it was becasue the recapped ones were used to get people that had been waiting thru the system.

    And it has been a very well known fact that those that submitted their petitions when there were no visas available is that they would be waiting a few years for the green card, and that it would not be like it was in the past when you got in just about 8 months or so. That no longer exists, and if your attorney did not inform you of this, that is a problem to take up with them. Not here.

    I spend hours each day reading and going thru items that have been posted by the US State Dept and discussing it with the immigration attorneys that I routinely consult with. And I stand by what I have written 100%, you do not need to agree with it, but these are the facts. And there are no more recapped visas to be used, the government wanted them used up entirely before this new fiscal year was started, and they have done just that. And actually recapped more than the few that you are talking about, over 4 x that number were assigned.
  4. by   suzanne4
    Quote from Snowstorm
    According to USCIS they received 68,498 I-485 applications to adjust status in July 2007 http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/A...ITS_July07.pdf

    and 116,177 I-485 applications to adjust status in August 2007.

    http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/A...FITS_Aug07.pdf

    184,675 applications to adjust status all together in July/August 2007
    including family based cases.

    If you find a better source let me know.
    There was another thread that was started by Lawrence01 giving the specifics as to what was submitted and the breakdown for it. You just need to have a look for it. And his numbers are correct, and were verified as well. Yours do not include those that submitted all petitions including the I-140 during July as well as the dependents and they shoot the number way up as they are part of the 140,000 visas that are issued each year to those under the Eb-3 category.

    You do not need to like what we are posting, but the numbers that you have been posting are no longer current, there was later data that came out and Lawrence posted about it.

    The fact is that there are no visas available for those that just submitted under the AOS; there are many much further than you that have been waiting, even under the Consular Process as well. And they will get the first crack at any visas, not those that were just submitted when there were no visas available and the US government was forced to accept them. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine.

    Please take the time to do some more reading on this forum.
  5. by   Snowstorm
    Quote from Silverdragon102
    During that period Jun 05 - Oct 06 Schedule A did exist for nurses but since I think it was Feb this year Schedule A for nurses no longer exist, nurses reverted back to just EB3 Oct 06 and have been affected ever since. As far as I am aware schedule A was removed as there was no longer any visas to allocate.

    Also to add you give a quote in post 24 of approx 14,000 not used but hard to predict as the 50,000 also included family members and very hard to predict how many family members there where, some people went by them selves where others may easily include 5-6 in the family unit.
    if you follow links in my posts #13 and #24 it will give you detailed statistics about family members that received their visas along with primary applicants. 36,367 visas were isued in FY2005-2006 for schedule "A" applicants including spouses and children. Do you seriously believe that 14,000 visas could be issued in just 2 month if it took a year and a half to issue 36,000 visas in 2005-2006?
    And the question is why "schedule A" was not current after Nov 2006 if as of Oct. 1 2006 there were 14,000 unused visas?
    Last edit by Snowstorm on Oct 13, '07
  6. by   Silverdragon102
    To be honest I am not sure why you are dragging up information which now is of no benefit. What happened last year or the year before has no bearing on what is happening now. Retrogression is in progress and no matter what we say now or stats we look at from previous years are going to make any difference. The US government says there are no visas at the moment. Therefore all we can do now is wait for things to move forward
  7. by   Snowstorm
    Quote from suzanne4
    There was another thread that was started by Lawrence01 giving the specifics as to what was submitted and the breakdown for it.

    "At a recent AILA Conference, Michael Ayetes (USCIS Associate Director, Operations) announced...."

    That information is not official. It's not posted anywhere on the official web site.
    Dependents file their own I-485. So I don't see why you decided that those were not counted by USCIS?

    Last edit by Snowstorm on Oct 13, '07
  8. by   aky_888
    If the new numbers for AOS filers is true, that is good news for us nurses...
  9. by   Snowstorm
    Quote from suzanne4

    What you are not realizing is that there are still many that started the AOS before the deadline of last October 31 that went thru Nebraska Service Center and still do not have their green cards either at this time.
    There should be no deadline for schedule "A" if visas are available. They set a deadline based on the prediction that schedule "A" 50,000 limit would be exhausted by Nov. 2006. Schedule "A" quota has nothing to do with annual limits for EB category.
    Last edit by Snowstorm on Oct 13, '07
  10. by   RN4US
    ei, snowstorm, kindly edit your "Nov. 2007" and "Oct. 2007" in post numbers 31 and 35. I think you are talking about "2006".

    Whatever, I still cannot understand your point. Are you saying that there must be Schedule A visas available until this moment? That is not possible because Schedule A visas were available until January. 2007....I guess it was exhausted during that period (Dec. to Jan).

    http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bu...etin_3100.html


    And my dear, there were also many plus their dependents who got it through Consular Processing....add that to your equation and there shall be no balance. Do not under-estimate the number of approvals using CP process at that period....we've seen it with our eyes how many nurses were flying to the US with their x-ray results on their hand-carried luggage....
    Last edit by RN4US on Oct 13, '07
  11. by   mutya
    Quote from Snowstorm
    if you follow links in my posts #13 and #24 it will give you detailed statistics about family members that received their visas along with primary applicants. 36,367 visas were isued in FY2005-2006 for schedule "A" applicants including spouses and children. Do you seriously believe that 14,000 visas could be issued in just 2 month if it took a year and a half to issue 36,000 visas in 2005-2006?
    And the question is why "schedule A" was not current after Nov 2007 if as of Oct. 1 2007 there were 14,000 unused visas?
    The numbers that you have posted was right and your calculation of 14,000 visas left is also correct. But it is hard to assume that there are still visas left. As for me there are no more visa left, the 14,000 that is the point of discussion here was used to clear the backlog on EB3. Please remember that nurses belong to EB3. If we take a careful look at the visa bulletins there is no schedule A in May 2005 and it started in June 2005. WE take a closer look at May 2005 bulletin EB3 for PIC is Jun02. Then they created Schedule A to clear the backlog for nurses in June 2005. Take a look at Jan 2007 VB they are processing Schedule A for June 2004.*** How can they process Schedule A for June 2004 if Schedule A started in June 2005???? It is because they consider all nurses that apply in EB3 to be a part of schedule A before June 2005. So the 14,000 that is under discussion here was also used to clear the nursing backlog from Jun02 to Jun 04 under EB3.
  12. by   lawrence01
    Quote from Snowstorm
    There should be no deadline for schedule "A" if visas are available. They set a deadline based on the prediction that schedule "A" 50,000 limit would be exhausted by Nov. 2006. Schedule "A" quota has nothing to do with annual limits for EB category.
    They always set deadlines. Much better that way, than go overboard. They can always give more visas when they later find out that there are actually some more visas left. And they did. They published that there were a few more visas left and that they were giving it until the the 2nd half of Nov. 2006. This is why you've been hearing of some nurses getting their visas until the 2nd half of 2006 even though they set the dealine on Nov. 1. You may also refer to RN4US' post on post #36. That actually already explained that the unused visas from the 50,000 batch were re-allocated and used up as well.

    Let's not dwell on the past. It is already almost a year since the 50,000 were exhausted. All unused visas were already re-capped as well as Suzanne said during the months of July and Aug. There are no more unsused visas left to re-cap and if by chance (but I doubt it) that there are still leftovers, it will not go to people who just filed their I-140s and I-485s. It would go to people with older PDs than them and there are many in front of them still. Both in CP and AOS. You may not be aware that there are actually still a few that did AOS somewhere in the middle of 2006 that weren't given visas during the months of July and Aug. and once visa numbers are available again for distribution, it will go first to people with older PDs, whether AOS or CP and not to people who just filed in July.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Oct 14, '07
  13. by   lawrence01
    Quote from Snowstorm
    "At a recent AILA Conference, Michael Ayetes (USCIS Associate Director, Operations) announced...."

    That information is not official. It's not posted anywhere on the official web site.
    Dependents file their own I-485. So I don't see why you decided that those were not counted by USCIS?
    That was their breakdown base on their estimates and this was given by the USCIS Associate Director to the American Immigration Lawyers Asociation.

    It isn't posted on USCIS' website yet because thay are double checking all their stats before they actually post it. The one given to AILA may yet be revised to reflect more accurate data but I certainly do not think that it will differ much from it and it was just a bird's eye view. These were all who filed in all EB categories, plus their dependents. Dependents are always included when counting visa numbers, in fact they make up at least 2-3x more than the actual applicants, so things can easily shoot up.

    Expect to see a more detailed breakdown in the weeks to come. The per country visa demand would be more of a benefit to some countries or a bane to some, so the upcoming statistic for these would be more accurate on where each country stand
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Oct 14, '07

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