Nursing & Depression - page 18

While visiting in the lounge one day, we discovered that every nurse there was on an anti-depressant. I have had 'Treatment Resistant Depression' for about 20 years--as long as I've been a nurse. ... Read More

  1. by   mario_ragucci
    Please don't attack me because I describe things I would do. I am well aware of what i say, and would never tell anyone what they should do disrespectfully. And I wouldn't judge anyone, lest I be judged.

    Just because a person sounds off about what they do doesn't mean everyone else should do it. I ain't telling anyone to jump jacks or get blown off a devan. Only do I want to make a plug for diet and exercise, and give my perspective. If you have a serious form of clinical depression, and don't/can't want to consider what I say, you are free to forget me. But don't embarrass me and say I said stuff I never said. I'm gonna be 38 in December, and don't need/want anyone to openly berate/disrespect me. Does hostility accompany depression?
  2. by   Youda
    When we have spent a fortune on therapies, medications, missed time from work, etc., etc., etc. Does anyone really think we would put ourself through all this if exercise and imagery was all it took to make us feel better?

    Or do people believe that we are just such neurotics that we prefer drug side-effects, damaged careers, painful ntrospection, tears, dreams and plans unfullfilled, and damaged relationships? And if we'd just "do something" our lives would be "normal?"

    Does anyone think this is a choice? Does anyone doubt that if a drill sargeant would cure it, we wouldn't all be lining up to get one?

    If someone said they had a verifiable cure for cancer, would all cancer victims get on the next plane to get it? If depression were that simple, wouldn't we all be signing up for aerobics classes?

    If I were drowning, would you throw me an anchor?
  3. by   VivaLasViejas
    Thanks, Youda....you always seem to be there at the right time with the right thing to say.

    Mario, you really shouldn't take things so literally. OK, I was a bit hard on you just now, but my point was not to berate or disrespect you---it was to dispute what I felt was an assumption on your part that depression is not a "real" illness. And if I came across as hostile, I'm sorry. But as one of the millions of Americans who deal with the stigma of mental disorders, I felt you were ill-informed, and my intent was to provide information, not piss you off. However, it can't be news to you that some of the things you've said in your posts have upset people, and I'm certainly not the first one to call you on it.

    As for being almost 38, you ought to be flattered, kiddo--you don't look it!
    Last edit by VivaLasViejas on Oct 13, '02
  4. by   mario_ragucci
    Awwww, no worries mate! :-) I'm just trying to get to know things. People I love are depressed, and I understand a little. I'm not depressed! Me just tryng to understand. :-) Drama is okay. For me, the drill instructor I imagine is my friend in the end.
    I'm sorry for saying anything i know nothing about. Forgive me, and watch me gasp this swan song of withdrawl from this thead. I'll just hang up and read what yall have to say :-) Love, Mario
  5. by   micro
    Mario, You don't have to swan song out.........

    We all know about life and living. We is all human and in this world together.


    Hey to all, I am very glad that there are those of you there that are willing to share and be yourself here.....it is nice to know and to let others know that they are not alone. Depression can be a very lonely disease........and that can just capitulate onto itself.
    Clinical depression is not a fun thing, and I use the wrong word usage almost intentionally here.
    There is still such a stigma out there about depression, alcoholism, other mental illnesses, that even those dealing with such do not see it for the "disease" process it is. That does not help, when even medical professionals view it differently and yes, even nurses out there, on the work front, in the middle of their own working stress do not give the patient with such a diagnosis the credence and respect as they would with someone with a "physical" illness.
    Depression, alcoholism, alzheimers, schizophrenia are as much physical diseases as the more thought of physical diseases, except with the emotional/mental aspects apparent in the symptomology of it.
    I don't even know what I am trying to say here.......as I am going to take a power nap before I go off to work another pm. I am just glad that I now have doc's that do see depression and other for what it is.....without the stigma and treat it and me accordingly.
    Hi, my name is micro and yep, I do suffer from depression, "clinical", etc. but that doesn't stop me from being human.......
    medications necessary........
    drinking & eating better, drinking 0
    lost some weight and increase in exercise.....

    but the insidious process that depression is.....
    #1 is being all right with self......
    I am okay, I am human #1
    but if you are in the depths of depression, you do not have the energy or ability to do anything.........
    I am glad that I am "somewhat" above that today

    if any wisdom, from my side of the river and depression and life:
    It is what you do with life that matters. There is always choices.........Being alive lends you to being the human condition.

    One day at a time,
    Life if okay, and okay is good,
    micro
  6. by   mario_ragucci
    Raindrops keep falling on my head

    but that doesn't mean my eyes will soon be turning red, crying is not for me.

    Okay, to all the folks who appreciate mental imadgry, in this song, the guy says that "he talked to the sun, and said to the sun that you can not get things done by sleeping on the job."

    Only a baffoon would suggest you can talk to a star, and suggest that a star works and has a job. The sun is nothing but a huge fussion reaction!
    To suggest you talk to the sun is suicide because you would surely melt even before you approaced Mercury's orbit.

    "But theres one thing, I know, the blues they send to meet me, won't defeat me, it won't be long till happiness steps up to great me!"
  7. by   Youda
    Mario! I am going to have to take you by the shoulders and shake you!

    You are stuck on your understanding of depression because you have never experienced the more severe forms of it. Because of this, you believe that all depression is manageable and curable (or at least resolveable) by the methods you use! This is only effective in mild or situational depression!

    From your attempts to understand depression and your questions to us, you have formed the erronerous idea that all depression responds to minor interventions.

    You don't yet understand or recognize these things about severe of "clinical" depression:
    it is physically and mentally, totally, debilitating
    it is does not respond to "home" remedies such as exercise or imagery
    it does not respond to the same medications in the same way in all people
    it is so misunderstood by others as to make it frustrating to the sufferer and this misunderstanding of the disease process only exacerbates the severity of the disease
    it is presumably caused by a physiological chemical imbalance such as diabetes or hypothyroidism or hyperkalemia, etc.
    it requires aggressive intervention and close monitoring just as a MI would require in a cardiac patient
    and finally . . .
    the "patient" loses the ability to perform many ADL functions
    there are physiological as well as psychological manifestations of the disease.

    If I may make a metaphor or an anology:
    you believe that a migraine can be treated the same as a headache, or that
    a benign tumor can be treated the same as a metastatic tumor, or that mild depression can be treated the same as severe depression.

    I appreciate, dear Mario, your positive approach and good humor. I'd give you a hug if I could! But, you are seriously missing the seriousness of this disease and its implications!

    Go do some more study on this one! If we can educate just one misguided healthcare worker about clinical depression, then maybe you can help someone else who suffers as we do during your practice. But, you will be a sad failure if you don't listen to what we are saying now!
  8. by   sjoe
    Just a reminder: It is relatively easy to put someone on your "ignore" list by clicking on the "profile" button of any of their posts, then making the appropriate selection.
  9. by   mario_ragucci
    Originally posted by Youda
    Mario! I am going to have to take you by the shoulders and shake you!
    What have I done for you to threaten violence to my spinal cord. Do you feel combative? :-)
    I am gonna swan song out now before I get picked off. Just kidding. I apologize for myself on behald of myself and wheel always be friends Youda (from star wars?)
  10. by   Youda
    Yes, from Star Wars! "Yoda" was already taken!
  11. by   sanakruz
    Youda- ativan is not a narcotic- Just because the DEA classifies as such is meaningless- The DEA has no place in nursing! I personally resent having to "count for" them each shift change, as it takes time away from the bedside...
  12. by   mattsmom81
    Originally posted by NurseGirlKaren
    But I must add that with a combination of anxiety and depression (which are often comorbid), "thinking" too much is absolutely the WRONG therapy. When you're already obsessing over something, throwing a drill instructor into the mix is not the right approach. Personal experience.

    Thank you, abrenrn for speaking your mind.

    Mattsmom--we've missed you!!!!
    Thanks, Karen...missed ya'll too and glad to be back.

    Excellent point and I 'resemble your remarks'...LOL! :chuckle

    It has helped me greatly to meditate on light, encouraging (some spiritual) topics vs a hard and heavy approach. Paxil helped me deal with the obsessing I was doing...also helped me get some rest....and my therapist helps me with the perfectionism that many nurses inflict upon themselves. I have to keep working at it but I am winning the battle!.

    Hugs to all...great topic and points all around. :kiss
  13. by   mattsmom81
    Mario dear, once again you have sought to offer advice on a topic you have not been educated on...and this is why you are experiencing some flack here from those who are walking the walk.

    Asking questions is OK...but you really need to refrain from advice giving until you've finished your nurses' training and develop some insight....and shouldn't comment on 'the blues' in the same vein as clinical depression, cuz they are two different animals.

    You will learn about this in school and we ALL wish you the best as you learn and grow in nursing.

    Platitudes from the less experienced to the more experienced can draw hospitility...and possibly are behind much of the 'eating of young' phenom out there, so bee aware.

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