Nurses with ADD/ADHD? - page 5

Hey all! I was wondering if there are any nurses with ADD/ADHD out there who want to comiserate and support each other? I know I need the help/advice. It might also be a place for "regular" people... Read More

  1. Visit  chris_at_lucas_RN profile page
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    Quote from button2cute
    Hello, All

    Chris, how does dyslexia makes a nurse dangerous? Please explain to me? Because I am dyslexia and I am not dangerous at all. I do not dispense medications that does not have an order or have a med error that killed someone? SO explained your theory about dyslexics are dangerous as a nurse?

    Chris, I am listening....
    I see that this has already been addressed by others, but since you asked....

    Dyslexia causes one to turn letters and numbers around, or jumble them in other ways. It makes life very difficult--street signs don't make sense, written directions of any sort become impossible to follow, and don't even try to read for enjoyment, it's incredibly hard work!

    Many medications have spellings similar to other medications. Dyslexia jumbling the letters can cause one to see one med when in fact a different one was ordered.

    Ditto on dosages. If you are moving digits around, especially if the "new" order of the digits includes moving a decimal point, then it will be impossible to know whether you have the right dosage. (For example, the order might be written 0.125 mg but one might see 21.50 or 1.250.)

    None of this is purposeful, of course. Dyslexia is a disability: what you see is not what is there. It is not about giving meds without an order, or not giving meds if there is an order. It is about not getting the exact detail because you cannot be sure that what you are seeing is what is written.

    Anyone can make this sort of mistake, that's why we countersign transcribed orders (assuming they are actually read before they are countersigned) and why we actually read back verbal and telephone orders. Anyone can make a mistake. For persons with dyslexia the probability is just way, way higher.

    Med errors do not have to kill someone to be a bad thing. Med errors, all med errors, are bad in that the patient is being given a substance that either was not ordered, or in a dosage that was not ordered, essentially without the patient's consent. (No one says, "can I have your permission to give you something the doctor didn't order?" Of course not.) Viewed strictly, giving the wrong med or the wrong dosage could be considered assault on the patient.

    And that's how dyslexia can make a nurse dangerous, IMHO.
  2. Visit  LPN1974 profile page
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    I recently worked with a nurse who had ADHD.
    Some of her traits were that she didn't or couldn't listen to things we had told her in the past, and could repeat the same mistake, because she just didn't "listen". I know it wasn't intentional....it's just part of her disability.

    She also was very hyper, and also tended to interrupt alot when other people were talking to her and trying to explain something to her....it was like her mind was going 90 to nothing and the other person in the conversation can't keep up.

    She was also a "people pleaser". She was constantly trying to do things for other people. Get you things, bring you food to eat that she had cooked at home, etc. I had to tell her to stop bringing me stuff to eat.
    I also had to tell her to stop trying to "wait" on me. I could wait on myself and get my own drinks/food, etc. This type of thing can also get to be annoying for other people. It is nice for a time or two that someone does something for you, but having a co-worker who is constantly trying to wait on you gets old after awhile.

    She also had a trait of telling me what I should be eating or drinking and what kind of medicines I should or shouldn't take.
    She was always trying to please me in her own way, but yet, things I did for myself, in her opinion, were not what I should be doing.

    She also spent money on me......she likes to go to yard sales, etc, and would pick up things she thought I might like. Well, that was nice, for a time or two, and if it didn't cost much, I didn't mind accepting it, but I don't want anyone spending their hard earned money on me. I do have enough junk already that I need to get rid of now, and more junk is just that..... junk.

    These were just some of her personality traits. And I didn't know she was ADHD until after she didn't work there anymore, so now I understand more about her and why she did or felt the need to do the things she did.
  3. Visit  sms profile page
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    ....no offfense to my colleague LPN but...some of those traits have nothing to do with ADD/ADHD. As far as the hyperactivity & the interrupting goes...then yes those are classic ADD traits but...the people pleasing, bringing u food & 'junk' from yard sales...those have nothing to with ADD!!
    I don't know why she did those things.....god bless her she sounds sweet
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  4. Visit  LPN1974 profile page
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    Quote from sms
    ....no offfense to my colleague LPN but...some of those traits have nothing to do with ADD/ADHD. As far as the hyperactivity & the interrupting goes...then yes those are classic ADD traits but...the people pleasing, bringing u food & 'junk' from yard sales...those have nothing to with ADD!!
    I don't know why she did those things.....god bless her she sounds sweet

    And no offense to you, sms, but I'm enclosing a link, if you will read it, please. I was researching on the traits of people with this disorder and this is where I got my information.
    I will enclose the particular paragraph for your review, but please read the article.

    The symptoms of ADD can be variable and situational, or constant. Some people with ADD can concentrate if they are interested or excited, while others have difficulty concentrating under any circumstances. Some avidly seek stimulation, while others avoid it. Some become oppositional, ill-behaved and, later, antisocial; others may become ardent people-pleasers. Some are outgoing, and other, withdrawn.
    You will find this particular paragraph under the subtitle "Characteristics of Adults with ADD"

    Full article is at the link below.


    http://www.nmha.org/infoctr/factsheets/93.cfm
    Last edit by LPN1974 on Dec 12, '05
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  5. Visit  button2cute profile page
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    Hello, Everyone

    I think it is funny, how people can diagnosis others and know about a learning disability as they have it.

    I believe that some people who are not learning disabled or physical disabled make a lot of assumptions. The assumptions are derived by ignorance....period.

    I wish the nursing schools and other medical facilities would send everyone to sensitivity classes and a 100 hours of clinicals working with the learning and physical disabled individuals. Because it will eliminate the ignorance and myths about the functions and abilities of those individuals who are disabled.

    I am dyslexic and I did not ever had a medication error as one poster claims that all dyslexic people would do. However, those who are not dyslexic made errors and I guess that is acceptable...NOT.

    I choose to disagree respectively to those posters who states learning disables can function as a nurse.

    Have a great evening, lol
    Buttons
  6. Visit  LPN1974 profile page
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    Quote from button2cute
    Hello, Everyone

    I think it is funny, how people can diagnosis others and know about a learning disability as they have it.

    I believe that some people who are not learning disabled or physical disabled make a lot of assumptions. The assumptions are derived by ignorance....period.

    I wish the nursing schools and other medical facilities would send everyone to sensitivity classes and a 100 hours of clinicals working with the learning and physical disabled individuals. Because it will eliminate the ignorance and myths about the functions and abilities of those individuals who are disabled.

    I am dyslexic and I did not ever had a medication error as one poster claims that all dyslexic people would do. However, those who are not dyslexic made errors and I guess that is acceptable...NOT.

    I choose to disagree respectively to those posters who states learning disables can function as a nurse.

    Have a great evening, lol
    Buttons

    I hope you weren't referring to my post.
    Just to be clear, IF you were, I didn't diagnose anyone nor make any assumptions about anyone.
    The co-worker nurse that I mentioned in my post told others at my job that she had ADD/ADHD.
    I searched for information on this disorder to try and understand it better.
    I could see some of the characteristics listed on that web site in this nurse, but that by no means is a DIAGNOSIS. I don't diagnose. I'm not an MD.
  7. Visit  Morning-glory profile page
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    I haven't had the chance to read the whole thread, but I was Dx with ADD and a learning disability when I was 31. Just knowing was a relief. Meds were a life saver. Tried a few meds before I found the one for me. Tried Strattera but it made me too sleepy, no matter how low the dose and a headache that just wouldn't quit.

    I love my Mannerix. Works for me. I don't have the hyperactivity so my doc has taken a different approach.

    I'm now working psych and I love it. The pace on psych is just my speed.

    Got to get to bed. I have to be at work early in the morning.

    Will post more soon.
  8. Visit  sms profile page
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    ...You're absolutely write LPN...however the article said "MAY become ardent people pleasers" So it's not a hard 7 fast rule.
    I have ADD/ADHD. In fact I facilitate a diverse group of professionals who have ADD & none of them display THAT trait. Thats all I'm going to say on this subject.
    The only reason I even wrote anything to begin with was to support my fellow nurse colleagues & ADD'ers NOT to get into a debate with you.
    I wish u the best....let's agree to disagree.
  9. Visit  Bipley profile page
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    Quote from LPN1974
    I recently worked with a nurse who had ADHD.
    Some of her traits were that she didn't or couldn't listen to things we had told her in the past, and could repeat the same mistake, because she just didn't "listen". I know it wasn't intentional....it's just part of her disability.

    She also was very hyper, and also tended to interrupt alot when other people were talking to her and trying to explain something to her....it was like her mind was going 90 to nothing and the other person in the conversation can't keep up.

    She was also a "people pleaser". She was constantly trying to do things for other people. Get you things, bring you food to eat that she had cooked at home, etc. I had to tell her to stop bringing me stuff to eat.
    I also had to tell her to stop trying to "wait" on me. I could wait on myself and get my own drinks/food, etc. This type of thing can also get to be annoying for other people. It is nice for a time or two that someone does something for you, but having a co-worker who is constantly trying to wait on you gets old after awhile.

    She also had a trait of telling me what I should be eating or drinking and what kind of medicines I should or shouldn't take.
    She was always trying to please me in her own way, but yet, things I did for myself, in her opinion, were not what I should be doing.

    She also spent money on me......she likes to go to yard sales, etc, and would pick up things she thought I might like. Well, that was nice, for a time or two, and if it didn't cost much, I didn't mind accepting it, but I don't want anyone spending their hard earned money on me. I do have enough junk already that I need to get rid of now, and more junk is just that..... junk.

    These were just some of her personality traits. And I didn't know she was ADHD until after she didn't work there anymore, so now I understand more about her and why she did or felt the need to do the things she did.
    Actually, most of those are not necessarily traits of AD/HD. Being a people pleaser is not really an AD/HD trait.
  10. Visit  Bipley profile page
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    Quote from Jacquie RN
    I love my Mannerix. Works for me. I don't have the hyperactivity so my doc has taken a different approach.
    What is Mannerix? I don't believe I have ever heard of this product before.

    I do have the hyperactivity component. I'm like a little kid sitting through a boring movie with Mom. I have to fidget, twirl my hair, click my nails on a table (wayyyyy annoying to the rest of humanity!), swing my leg, SOMETHING. If I don't move something ALL the time I'm just sure I'll explode. If someone forced me to sit on my hands while I speak, I don't believe I could utter a word. I'd likely sound like a wild animal locked in a small cage.

    Thank goodness for amphetamines. I can finally relax!!!!!
  11. Visit  Bipley profile page
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    Quote from sms
    ...You're absolutely write LPN...however the article said "MAY become ardent people pleasers" So it's not a hard 7 fast rule.
    I have ADD/ADHD. In fact I facilitate a diverse group of professionals who have ADD & none of them display THAT trait. Thats all I'm going to say on this subject.
    The only reason I even wrote anything to begin with was to support my fellow nurse colleagues & ADD'ers NOT to get into a debate with you.
    I wish u the best....let's agree to disagree.
    Well, that may well be all you say on the topic but I'll add yet another $0.86 worth.

    Most people that deal with AD/HDers know quite well that people pleasing isn't what we do. We are often times annoying. We have to have the same things explained to us repeatedly. We listen as best we can, we focus and we try to pay attention but we don't hear you. If we do hear you we forget what you said halfway through your sentence. We don't always recall what you said, but we are well aware there is missing information. We just feel too stupid to ask you to repeat it yet again. While I am trying my best to listen to what you have to say, you are distracted by my clicking my nails on the table next to me. All you hear are my nails clicking away, all I hear is .. nothing. I can't hear you because my mind is racing.

    I cringe when I hear parents say that they don't want to medicate their kids. While I fully understand not wanting to feed children amphetamines, I also understand what I went through in school. I *TRIED* my best. I sat as still as I possibly could. I really really really tried all the right things. But I just plain and simply couldn't hear what was being said. Thank goodness my parents weren't the physically abusive type. While they were mentally abusive, at least they didn't beat the tar out of me while telling me to try harder.

    When I was a kid AD/HD was considered minimal brain dysfunction. It's isn't that! Research shows it is a lack of blood and glucose to a specific (dime sized) area of the frontal lobe of the brain. Beat the tar out of your kids, it isn't going to increase blood flow to that part of the brain. Ground your kid, do it if you please. That isn't going to help. A *true* AD/HD'er isn't going to "just get into the right space" and think logically anymore than a diabetic will get "into the right space" and deal with BS issues.

    I remember my parents sitting with me at night doing homework. I would try MY BEST and within seconds I forgot what they said. They were angry and told me I was smart and knew better. They were right, I did know better, I just didn't know how to CONTROL the issues.

    I didn't know until a few short years ago that I have a photographic memory. I also didn't know how many forms of a photographic memory there are. My (then) doc asked me how I managed high school. I thought nothing of telling her that I read a chapter, aced a test. She laughed and told me that isn't how others do it. They have to read and reread the chapter, form study notes, and other assorted methods of study. I knew folks did that, I just thought they weren't really bright. I had no clue others could read a book one time and NOT know every bloody detail of the book by heart. ASSUMING they were interested in the topic!

    My sis can read a brochure and while she may not recall the details of the brochure, she can open it up in her mind and reread what the brochure said. She is like a copy machine, she doesn't absorb the material however she can bring it up at will. My other sis can hear a phone number one time and it is in her memory for life. She remembers her friend's phone numbers from elementary school. Yet she is 49 years old. A friend of mine works in a bank. She can't remember a person's name but she knows their bank account number. She knows EVERY customers bank account number. She sees it once and it is in her brain for eternity.

    No research proves this one way or another but it is purely my opinion that AD/HDers typically have another trait they can rely upon. I can read a drug insert and 5 years later someone is discussing "X" drug and I know they are wrong. That isn't what the insert said. I can tell them details of what the literature states. I don't even realize I know this information.

    People can believe what they choose but being a people pleaser isn't indicative of AD/HD. What it IS indicative of is a person who feels they fail at every bloody thing they attempt. When they fail time and time again they attempt to make up for it in other ways. IOW, don't be mad at me for "X," I just brought you coffee with the exact number of lumps of sugar!
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  12. Visit  LPN1974 profile page
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    Quote from sms
    ...You're absolutely write LPN...however the article said "MAY become ardent people pleasers" So it's not a hard 7 fast rule.
    I have ADD/ADHD. In fact I facilitate a diverse group of professionals who have ADD & none of them display THAT trait. Thats all I'm going to say on this subject.
    The only reason I even wrote anything to begin with was to support my fellow nurse colleagues & ADD'ers NOT to get into a debate with you.
    I wish u the best....let's agree to disagree.

    Not debating at all.
    As I said earlier, I was just looking up for information on this disorder.
    Let me say my statement another way......"people pleasing" may not necessarily be a specific trait in people with this particular disorder......ONLY that some people MIGHT develope that characteristic.
    I thought it was interesting that my co-worker had that certain characteristic about her personality, which in itself is not a bad trait to have.....{I'm not saying that}, and then I found the article with traits listed and "people pleasing" was also listed.
    I was only thinking of her particular personality, and not ALL people develope every single trait anyway. Some will have a percentage, but probably not all of them.
    I, myself, am a procastinator. I think that article also listed procastination might as a possible trait in SOME people with ADD/ADHD,
    but I'm not ADD. So even there, people without the diagnosis can have a trait or two, I'm sure.

    So I'm not debating, and there's no disagreement here from me.
  13. Visit  chris_at_lucas_RN profile page
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    Quote from LPN1974
    I hope you weren't referring to my post.
    Just to be clear, IF you were, I didn't diagnose anyone nor make any assumptions about anyone.
    The co-worker nurse that I mentioned in my post told others at my job that she had ADD/ADHD.
    I searched for information on this disorder to try and understand it better.
    I could see some of the characteristics listed on that web site in this nurse, but that by no means is a DIAGNOSIS. I don't diagnose. I'm not an MD.
    I'm pretty sure he or she was referring to my post. I answered the question "how can dyslexia make a nurse dangerous." I didn't diagnose anybody either, but the poster himself or herself stated that they were dyslexic and had ADD.

    All I did was answer the question as clearly and as objectively as I could.....


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