Allowing Corpsman to Become Nurses - page 3

by Asystole RN 26,818 Views | 151 Comments

Watching the Presidential debate tonight and a statement by Obama made my head turn. He was relating a story when a corpsman was stating that he has treated wounded soldiers but when he became a civilian he could not use his... Read More


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    Openmouth, insert foot....."I do think many could handle SNFs but not.....acute care..."Really? Working in a SNF is no easier than working acute care. I've seen many many nurses with med-surg backgrounds not be able to make it two weeks in a SNF.You, and Mr. Obama, should both think before you speak.
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    They surely can! My boss was in the military when his son was born, a corpsman (corpsperson?) attended the birth.

    Quote from sali22
    They kind of seem like different jobs though right? They aren't out delivering babies and taking care of kids with cancer and such. I could certainly see some type of transition program but do they have all the skills of a nurse?
    Maybe I am wrong and don't know what their job as a corpsman entails.
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    One other aspect of the military that explains why corpsmen can do things like place chest tubes in the field is that they are in REMOTE, EMERGENCY situations where there is no other choice.

    This, and the fact that nobody can sue the military especially as a member of the military, whereas anyone can sue a hospital, is the reason they can have a pretty large UAP scope of practice while in the military- explains alot about why they cannot do more once they get out of the military and into the real world where people get sued, and where patients and their families are going to demand education behind their clinicians license.
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    Interesting as an RN, BSN, MSN with son presently a Corpsman previously took care of new moms and newborns. Bloodworkon both, IV's, meds, etc., etc. I am impressed at the scope of their practice. My son is now FMF Corpsman and supersedes many RN's with his abilities and duties. Must also carry a gun/rifle with all of this.I am sorry I did not listen to the debate last night. I have a petition "Corpsman to RN" which many all over the country have signed. I gave it to my Senator and had to go through an hour or so justifying this. Next they promised me they were taking it to Washington. I figured they were politely sweeping it under the rug. Do you think I had something to do with the President mentioning this? Hmmmm I s ure hope so.
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    I think, as usual, many people are missing the larger point. Someone did allude to it earlier in the thread. He was merely trying to suggest that he would like to see easier transition for service people to the private/civilian sector. It really wasn't even about nursing per se, it was about the veterans. Good grief.
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    I still think that for someone to practice nursing, one must have relevant training regardless if you have already experience in treating wounded individuals.
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    Military education really does not prepare you for civilian medical jobs. 68W army medics hold NREMT-B cards but function with the scope of a civilian medic or more. They are trained to perform the advanced procedures but do not receive adequate education to support it. This is purely out of necessity. As someone mentioned they perform trachs instead of intubations because it is easier in a combat environment. Does this mean that they should be qualified to perform them in the civilian sector? A lot of medics I worked with were vets and gripped about having to go to paramedic school since they technically were only certified as basics. They did great with trauma but were seriously lacking in everything else. In civilian EMS very few calls are young, healthy, trauma patients like seen in the military. I agree there should be some type of bridge process but IMO their experience is only worth so much.
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    I was a little disturbed by the tone of the President's response as well, but I don't think he really meant the Corpsman (or Corpse-Man as the President might have pronounced it) couldn't even get a job as a Mere Nurse. The President probably doesn't know much of anything about Nursing education, LPN vs RN issues or the training of military corpspersons. Corpsman training is significantly different from Nursing Education, but it is thorough and the military doesn't put up with those unable or unwilling to do the coursework. They have to make the grade in the military and should be able to test out of a good part of the curriculum.
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    Quote from Asystole RN
    Watching the Presidential debate tonight and a statement by Obama made my head turn. He was relating a story when a corpsman was stating that he has treated wounded soldiers but when he became a civilian he could not use his training or experience to count towards becoming a nurse (unknown which kind). The corpsman was upset that he had to start his education/training from the beginning.

    Obama stated that the requirements to be a nurse (assumed licensure/NCLEX requirements) should be changed to allow corpsman to become nurses (did not state which kind).

    Any thoughts?
    As a Corpsman in the 1970s, I thought (tongue-in-cheek) that nurses carried narcotic keys and took telephone orders. Corpsman learn alot of how-to stuff. When I went to nursing school having that how-to experience let me relax when others were sweating how to place an IV, put in a foley or any number of other practical skills. But appreciating the nursing process was not something that came with Corpman training.

    Go to nursing school and enjoy the advantage(s) your prior training will provide.
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    Quote from grownuprosie
    If you are going to quote our president, please be accurate. your "quote" is no where near the actual text or tone of that part of the debate. Regardless of what you think he meant, we can at least be clear on what he said.

    OBAMA: You know, I was having lunch with some a veteran in Minnesota who had been a medic dealing with the most extreme circumstances. When he came home and he wanted to become a nurse, he had to start from scratch. And what we've said is let's change those certifications. The first lady has done great work with an organization called Joining Forces putting our veterans back to work.
    Thank you, Grownuprosie, for correcting my misunderstanding. You are correct; I should not have refered to the President's comment without checking my memory for accuracy. I apologize to you and any others who read my ill-advised post.
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