Why dont we get respect as LTC nurses? - page 6

Hi everyone, I am hoping for some input to a questions that has been really burning my butt. I am a new nurse, and recently switched from med-surg at a local hospital (loved the job, hated the 12... Read More

  1. by   CapeCodMermaid
    MMM-I think you need a vacation.
  2. by   Ginger222
    Quote from NurseMMM
    Ginger! Wow! Cause in NY, or atleast where I live in NY- the pay at an LTC is absolutely lousey! I checked a nursing home close to where I live and they offered me $20/hr! I almost choked! I am making twice that in the hospital! So, for me- it was pure devastation when I heard that one!
    I also checked with an area MD office. Just to possibly cut down on the commute to work. They offered me $11/hr! That one made me fall off my seat! I told them flat out, "you are wasting my time, here." I got up and immeadiately walked out! And they wanted every Saturday to boot! It floored me! I laughed in their faces. After 25 years of nursing to be told I am only worth $11/hr or even half of what I am worth is deplorable to me. I was insulted. And told both facilities as such.
    All I can say is if you take a job for half of what your worth than maybe you need counseling. No one should accept that sort of insult. I feel that they waste our time. Get us to come in for the interview, for what? Just so they can piss most of us off? They should be ashamed of themselves expecting an experienced nurse to even consider that insult. I will stay right where I am at, thank you. The conditions of work are far better in any hospital center than in any LTC and or MD office, in my opinion.
    Major Medical Centers here in NJ generally pay $10-$12 Less than LTC Facilities.....I just don't understand that...never did
  3. by   GardenDove
    Quote from CapeCodMermaid
    MMM-I think you need a vacation.
    I agree.
  4. by   jill48
    Quote from rjflyn
    Well let me go from the ER nurse prospective. Please dont shoot the messenger.

    We often get patients from LTC that their care often times leaves alot to be desired. Often times we get a patient whos condition does not match the report/paperwork we get from the facility. If we get any paperwork that is. When we call to get more information we get met by staff who have no clue about the patient or their history.

    So you who may have nothing to do with said problems get lumped in to the same boat. Personally I give everyone the benefit of the doubt until you prove otherwise.

    All this I beleive is a symptom of our health system. Personally no nurse should be responsible for that many patients (24) is the number you mention. Of course its like everything else it comes down to money. Just imagine all the healthcare one could buy with the money that we are pouring down the rathole called Iraq.

    Rj
    Excuse me, but I worked in med/surg and in long term care and guess what? I recieved more patients without paperwork when I worked long term care than med/surg. Nothing burns my butt more than sending an LTC patient to the ER just to get her back in a half hour with a diagnosis of "UTI". That's a bunch of crap and we all know it. Everyone treats the LTC nurse like crap until we are taking care of your own loved one.
  5. by   Jo Dirt
    Quote from suebird3
    I love learning from our Elders also, Earle.
    The last LTC facility I worked had this little old bedridden lady (she is still there, I assume) but her mind was sharp. She could hardly hear but she would call me over to sit by her bed so she could talk to me. She would say, "I'm wasting company money keeping you here but oh well..."
    And I would sit and listen. She told me why she never got married. She said, I'm for family, but there is one thing you have to remember, you can always find a man who will marry you, but you won't have any guarantee he will want to stay with you, and from all I've seen marriage is a waste of time.
    I couldn't really disagree.

    Then she would talk about her family, neices, nephews, sisters and brothers, and how they would come visit "sometimes", but she wasn't under any delusions. She would say matter-of-factly, nobody wants you around when you're old.

    I loved to sit and hear this woman talk. Mostly because I see myself when I am 80+ yrs. old (if I live that long). We must be kindred spirits!
  6. by   Jo Dirt
    Quote from Josifek
    When I was in nursing school we had one class in which we broke into seven groups. Each group was given the same case senerio. The senerio was something like "you are stranded in a life boat with seven people... a teenager, a purse snatcher, a rabbi, several other types of people, and finally, an old lady. One of them has to be thrown overboard or else you will all sink, who do you throw overboard?" Would you believe that of those seven groups of future nurses six of them voted to throw the old lady out because "she's lived her life, the others haven't". The instructor mentioned at the end of the class that whenever he does this type of group project, nearly everyone votes to kill the grandmother. To answer the question of the original poster, I'm afraid this mentality is quite common in the medical profession and certainly contributes to the idea that we, as LTC nurses, are worthless. I just look at it like this: one day those with the above mentioned mentality are going to be in the same state as those elderly they currently despise. For their sakes I hope there are still some compasionate souls around to wipe their butts otherwise they themselves may get thrown overboard.
    Who did you decide to throw over?

    If I were the grandma, I would throw myself over. No one would have to make the decision for me.
    That is part of the cycle of life. She has lived her life. I know there are old people who would feel this way as well.
  7. by   GardenDove
    Quote from motorcycle mama
    Who did you decide to throw over?

    If I were the grandma, I would throw myself over. No one would have to make the decision for me.
    That is part of the cycle of life. She has lived her life. I know there are old people who would feel this way as well.
    If I were the grandma I'd throw the purse snatcher overboard. The grandma has more productive things to give to the group than that social misfit, and her first contribution should be to get rid of him.
  8. by   Jo Dirt
    But the purse snatcher may change, if given the opportunity. After all, Granny may have been pretty wild in her younger years only she got the opportunity/time to change.

    I still say Granny has to go. And that doesn't mean I don't like old people... we will all get there one day if we live long enough. There just comes a time to step aside. I'm learning that as I get older.

    Though, youth isn't everything. I would give Granny reprieve over a sociopath without a second thought (it is well documented there is no cure for a person with no conscience).
    Last edit by Jo Dirt on Dec 18, '06
  9. by   GardenDove
    Well, the purse snatcher will most likely be a burden on the group that's trying to survive. The granny can help care for the child in the group by telling stories from her youth, while the other adults try to keep everyone alive.
  10. by   buddiage
    I have not done clinicals in LTC yet (I am a student nurse) but I did bring my standard poodle to a LTC where I used to live.

    Let me tell you- those nurses work their butts off. I even brought my dog to the nurse's station because I thought they could use a visit as much as the residents did.

    I have the most respect for LTC nurses.
  11. by   LPN0608
    off the subject, but i could use some advice...please. i'm in lpn school and would like to work in ltc. i have worked as a cna in what must have been the worst facility ever but loved my residents and loved the geriactric clinicals. i know this is what i'm suppose to do with my life. any advice on looking for a good facility to work for. i posted this question in the ltc nursing forum and basically was told to avoid places with strong smells and i really should avoid ltc all together. i was a lil disappointed with the response. i would really love to hear some positive things from ltc nurses.:spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:
  12. by   Simplepleasures
    Quote from b300clb
    off the subject, but i could use some advice...please. i'm in lpn school and would like to work in ltc. i have worked as a cna in what must have been the worst facility ever but loved my residents and loved the geriactric clinicals. i know this is what i'm suppose to do with my life. any advice on looking for a good facility to work for. i posted this question in the ltc nursing forum and basically was told to avoid places with strong smells and i really should avoid ltc all together. i was a lil disappointed with the response. i would really love to hear some positive things from ltc nurses.:spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:
    family care program (will allow more elderly and disabled to be taken care of at home) by medicaid is coming, may be the beginning of the end for ltc facilities!!!:hatparty:
  13. by   CapeCodMermaid
    Quote from ingelein
    Family Care Program (will allow more elderly and disabled to be taken care of at home) by Medicaid is coming, may be the beginning of the end for LTC facilities!!!:hatparty:
    In Vermont, the state will pay a family member $10/hr to take care of an elderly family member so they don't have to go to LTC. My facility has 120 beds...of those maybe 15 could be taken care of at home. The rest of them either have multiple illnesses, potential skin issues, dementia, meds with parameters...you name it, they have it. It sounds lovely in theory, but most family members just aren't trained or equipped to care for old,sick people.

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