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The policy in our school is that if you miss more then 4 classes or 1.5 days of clinical you are withdrawn from the term. It also states that if you are absent a day of a test, (which is every class session we are tested), you must make it up with a maximum possible score of 70.

There is a girl in my class, one whom shows no respect to the teachers, is horribly rude to other students and CONSISTENTLY shows up late to class. She has missed 5 days of lecture, and been late to class several others. Three tardies counts as one absence. She also has missed clinical, and when she does come, she comes late. We estimated her total absences to exceed 7, all with no other excuse then "I woke up late"!

That being said, she has missed 5 tests. All of those tests were not only allowed to be made up without her having a proper reason for being late, (she just woke up late ect.), but she has been allowed to take all 5 tests and pass with 70+ points. Basically she takes the tests that we know are going to be very difficult (the ones shes always conveniently missing), and just doesnt come to class. That way she has an extra day to study, AND shes allowed to make higher then a 70 on the test. Yet she always shows up just in time for lecture to start.

Today it happened again. Were lectured on 45 pages AND given 10 drugs to memorize yesterday, for two tests this morning. Guess who didn't show up to class until the tests were over today? You guessed it. So we all just figured the teacher would finally say, enough is enough and kick her out of the program for failing to meet the guidelines and standards of the schools attendance policy.

Apparently that wasn't the case. Not only is she allowed to make up BOTH tests, but she has ALL memorial weekend to study for them! :uhoh21: Almost everyone in the class, aside from her 3 friends in the back, were just so puzzled we didn't know what to do. It makes NO sense. We lost 5 people this term because the rules were applied to them TO THE LETTER. Yet this girl, who treats the teacher like trash and constantly is abrasive and rude to other students is immune to the rules?

To top things off, the teacher notified the head nurse at school and they are changing the schools policies for test retaking starting next term for everyone! Now if someone misses a test, for a legitimate reason or not, they will be given a 50-100 question test, all fill in the blank answers. Instead of kicking this student out of the program, they are instead letting her slip by and punishing the rest of us whom might actually NEED to miss a day in the future! I have never missed one class, NOR been late. Yet now I will be penalized harshly if I am because of this students abuse of the system and my teachers allowing it.

I honestly dont know what to do... Some students and I might be taking this to the head nurse at our school and demand some answers. What do you guys think? I need some advice! :trout:

Specializes in PCU/Hospice/Oncology.

No one is obessessing about this girl, its just that we as a class are frustrated with the situation. She is the girl that I talked about in a previous post that totally neglects her patients in clinical.

If you dont want to go back and search: One day she had a patient with MRSA. She not only refused to bath him, or take care of him physically in any way, she neglected to feed him and worst of all, didnt give him ANY of his meds ALL day. Even his pain meds. This is also the same incident where she told our clinical instructor flat out "I am not putting no foleys in that man." when the clinical instructor asked her to. He hadnt voided in hours and was distended to the point of him being in pain upon moving. Its not singled to this patient, she constantly refuses to give bed baths, forgets to give meds and doesnt measure I & O's on renal patients..

She is just unsafe. Its not just her tests we are all wondering about, its the same in clinical with her. She just doesnt care. And its not that shes disabled in any way, she just has a bad attitude and thinks shes above cleaning people and dealing with them if they dont speak her language.

I cant explain the whole situation about her social interactions within the class, but to sum it up: She only talks to her two friends in class that both share her hate for the teaching staff and all act as if they are above speaking to any of us. They constantly make rude and sometimes racist remarks about some of us. This is why we are all wondering what in the heck they are still doing in the program. Its a big thing right now because we have seen people who the rules are being applied to, yet these three girls are being treated specially even though they are breaking many rules ethically and practicing unsafe nursing.

I am not going to worry myself about it, but as soon as it effects myself or other honest hard working students in class, it will be time to go to management.

Specializes in Junior Year of BSN.

She may have not told you she has a disability. This student has no obligation to tell ANY of her peers of her disability. If faculty and/or administration know about it thats all that is needed. I have a military related/veteran disability (50%) and the only people who know about that are family members and personal friends. No one at school knows because it's none of their business. Think about that before you contact administration. If you still feel like contacting them by all means do so, but if you see no results or get no answer it may possibly be because she may have a disability and they do not have to tell you anything about it.

According to the Office of Civil Rights/Dept. of Education:

Section 504 and Title II both prohibit retaliation for filing an OCR complaint or for advocating for a right protected by the two laws, and harassment of students or others because of a disability.

Specializes in PCU/Hospice/Oncology.

Why does everyone jump to automatically assume she has a disability? It cant just be that she is rude, self centered, lazy and irresponsible? I could understand if she had a physical disability but that doesn't excuse her behavior in any way. It doesnt excuse her racial comments, cursing in the teachers face, or her other behaviors. I guess you cant take my word for it, and its easier to think someone is not responsible for their own actions then to call it for what it is. I will admit that something fishy is going on, because there IS an obvious bending of the rules for this girl AND her friends.

According to some logic here though they must all be disabled since they act the same and do the same things by being late. Though its obvious whats going on when ONE shows up to take the test and the other two come late and take it the next day, and this happens consistently.

Bah I dunno, I am going to drop it, I have a final to study for.

Because if she has a disability it would make sense that she's getting away with stuff no one else can. No, it doesn't excuse her behavior, but it would explain why she gets different treatment.

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
Bah I dunno, I am going to drop it, I have a final to study for.
Yes, please drop the issue. The school seems to be catering to this student, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. If you speak up about this student's behavior and preferential treatment, the school will find a way to get YOU in trouble. Unfortunately, most bureaucracies do not like whistleblowers. Always remember that nursing school is political. It is best to keep quiet, and get through the year without rocking the boat.
Specializes in PCU/Hospice/Oncology.
Always remember that nursing school is political. It is best to keep quiet, and get through the year without rocking the boat.

Thats probably the best advice I have heard about this subject :monkeydance: Its frustrating to see this going on but I wont jeopardized my studies over it ya know? Its probably best to just keep my head down, make my good grades and get my shiny license. Someone mentioned karma before, and this will all come back to her eventually. :trout:

Specializes in Pediatrics, High-Risk L&D, Antepartum, L.

I'm sorry. I really didn't want to imply that she had a disability just that she could have one and nobody would know. But like I said...I didn't really think this was the case.

I know you are obsessing. It's one of those things that you notice and it just annoys you. It's really hard to pretend this stuff isn't happening. You are busting you rear trying to do this and she is essentially taking an easy route. I wonder if somebody is feeding her information.

Do you have a mentor or an advisor at the school? I know my school we each have one and we can go to them and it's confidential (unlike it may be when you go to another instructor). Well I had a MAJOR issue the first weekend of clinicals this semester. I was going to quit and come back in a year just so I didn't have to deal with it. I called my advisor just so I could have somebody listen who might get it. My mom gets it but she was being mean rather then supportive that night and my husband doesn't get it. My advisor really helped me. Now this involved another instructor and it seemed that she almost told the instructor because the next weekend there was a pretty big change. Some people who knew about my call ever said "did she talk to her". I don't think so but maybe in passing mentioned something vague.

Anyway my point would be that you could go to your advisor and just use them as an ear to listen to your frustrations. It's very possible that will be beneficial for you to talk to somebody and maybe they will finally act on it.

I think telling you that this shouldn't bother you is asking you to be a cold unfeeling person. We have emotions and we can't shut them down. Things are going to bother us and it's okay to feel bothered...it's just how you handle it from there.

Good luck. I understand your situation. We had a guy last semester who was an issue and the school ignored it. Many of us were bothered. We've let it go some now but occasionally it is still mentioned.

We are human.

Specializes in PCU/Hospice/Oncology.

We dont have an adviser but I think things will work out in the end. People find ways to weed themselves out through their own actions.

Specializes in Pediatrics, High-Risk L&D, Antepartum, L.
We dont have an adviser but I think things will work out in the end. People find ways to weed themselves out through their own actions.

That is so true. We have a girl who has stopped showing up. We think she was kicked out. You know what...she was asking for it. Showed up late at clinical #1, was told it was a freebie, late for #2 and told next is an action plan, showed up late again so plan was written and guess what...the next time she never showed. We think because she was going to be late she didn't come because she was getting kicked out now because of being late again.

She made her decision. This wasn't an accident. She was leaving class early even when there were labs (which are mandatory hours). I know some people have it rough and I don't mind when they leave or are late. This girl was never on time and never sat through an entire class.

It worked out for her....just not in a good way.

Dear Dreamer

I Think Every Nursing School Has One Or Two Students Like This,there Is Nothing You Or Us Can Do About It,one Thing I Can Advise You Try Not To Pay Attention To Much To Yhis Keep Your Energy To Yourself You Need It!! One Day You"ll See Who Really Wins!!! Continue Getting On Time To Classes And Taking On Time All Your Tests So You"ll Be A Good Nurse At The Future, Like It Says At The Hebrew Statement:"hazorim Bedimah Berina Iktzoru" The Once That Work Hard With Tears Wins And Are Live Happily Afterall,

Specializes in PCU/Hospice/Oncology.

Thats a good jewish saying..

I see a lot of this going on at my school to with certain students and instructors, but for some reason i just don't care whats going on in the background at my school, all i worry about is myself and me learning what i need to know to become a great nurse!

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