That scary student has been reported again... - page 3

I know some thought I was wrong in reporting him but I did and my instructor was glad I did. This past weekend he was paired with yet another student and things didn't go well at all. I don't... Read More

  1. by   Jolie
    however, if this student made SERIOUS pt. care mistake, I would lead the charge in kicking him/her out.....
    (Quote from locolorenzo22 above)

    Wow! I guess things have changed in nursing education programs! I thought it was the faculty's responsibility to evaluate students and decide who advances and who is dropped.
  2. by   WDWpixieRN
    I stay out of what others are doing...but then, we haven't done any "group" caring of patients since our first week in the hospital....I wouldn't KNOW if someone else was goofing up terribly unless I spent a lot of time shadowing them...but I have enough trouble taking care of myself without watching others...it is curious to read how they're handling clinicals in other schools....

    And locolorenzo, I don't think it is a matter of "growing up"....it's a matter of personal opinion about how the OP has handled this situation in class and on the boards....sometimes the way we go about it isn't the nicest -- I've seen some real trashing of folks who I felt were just reaching out for help on these boards....in this case, a lot of people felt she went too far and responded to her post of this situation....that growing up is a two-way street if someone's going to post something on these boards (note to avoid flaming: I'm not directing that comment to you!!)...
  3. by   IrishIzCPNP
    Clarification...

    I reported the student. I was asked about what was going on because I was obvious bothered by the events. The people who asked were my friends. I told them some of what happened...mainly to get advice. I always started what I said with "I bet he's a really nice guy but...". Nobody has trashed him. People have only discussed the fact about what he has done and not done.

    The other student who reported. He came to me told me that the instructor hinted very strongly she wanted his opinion after clinicals. He gave it. Sure it's her job to watch and evaluate but when they suspect a problem sometimes it's possible that we the students see a lot more then she does as the instructor. He told me he reported. I quite frankly do not know what he reported. I think he told me but I didn't file it all away...partly because I'm sure it was the same stuff I saw and I was dealing with something else.

    The student has no legal recourse against anyone. People are allowed to talk about what happened. Nobody has bad mouthed him or said anything about him...just what he has or has not done. Nobody has slandered him.

    It's clear that some people here see nursing school as a very serious individual thing. That's not the case where I go. We are a very close group. We go to social functions with each other, we get invited as a group to holiday events at each other's homes. We all want to graduate with each other because we are close with each other. We have some REALLY strong friendships that have happened because of meeting there. We for the most part look out for each other and have each other's backs. Heck I even tried to cover for this guy a little bit even then he hung himself in front of the instructor.

    And picking apart a post with literally only those few words doesn't say a lot. I'm just relaying a part of what happened with the 2nd student. I don't know the details. I said what I knew and since I didn't ask for or get the details exactly...though some I was told...I didn't lock it to memory so some things are just me not being able to state word for word what I was told.

    I would help this guy if I could. I can't. I don't think anyone can. If he makes it through...great. If it makes it through and he walks into the room of my loved one...he will be asked to leave.

    I stated my facts. I gave some information here about what else I was told or heard but I did not and would not pass them to onto the instructor.
  4. by   LisaJ_RN
    well stated...SAH
  5. by   semperfi8688
    Id agree with the others. Leave it to the Instructor, i know they are quite vigil about what is and isnt happening. You should becareful about noticing the stick in their eye, because you maybe blinded by the two by four in your own.
  6. by   semperfi8688
    semperfi8688Id agree with the others. Leave it to the Instructor, i know they are quite vigil about what is and isnt happening. You should becareful about noticing the stick in their eye, because you maybe blinded by the two by four in your own.
  7. by   onduty23
    the fact i am at getting is you may have cause to report him but their isnt a need to post someone business on a message board. keep it in house this isnt a soap opera. we can't do anythng about it.i wish HIPPA also applied to talking about student action on the net. never once have i ever brought up a classmate action on a message board. if a teacher feels someone is unsafe they will handle it, it isnt the job of students to declare someone unsafe. one thing i learn in nursing school is somefolks have big egos and will do anything to separate themselves from others. jmho
    Last edit by onduty23 on Mar 1, '07
  8. by   IrishIzCPNP
    Quote from onduty23
    the fact i am at getting is you may have cause to report him but their isnt a need to post some business on a message board. keep it in house this isnt a soap opera. we can't do anythng about it.i wish HIPPA also applied to talking about student action on the net. never once have i ever brought up a classmate action on a message board. if a teacher feels someone is unsafe they will handle it, it isnt the job of students to declare someone unsafe. one thing i learn in nursing school is somefolks have big egos and will do anything to separate themselves from others. jmho

    First off this wouldn't be a HIPPA violation as there have not been any identifying characteristics except it was a male. No HIPPA issues.

    Again...I thought this board was for support, a sounding board and not always completely formal. Apparently this isn't a friendly board to just discuss nursing school things in general. This board is apparently very formal and strict topic. I didn't realize it. I simply wrote about it to get it off my chest, to share, to relieve the stress of a horrible day. I won't make that mistake again. I will stick to non personal, non friendly posts only.

    It's a shame things are so uptight though.
  9. by   Sarah_M
    I dont think You should report anyone. In not your job to evaluate student, its your instructors job. I hope some people agree with me..

    sarah
    Last edit by traumaRUs on Mar 2, '07 : Reason: TOS violation
  10. by   WDWpixieRN
    Quote from SAHStudent
    It's a shame things are so uptight though.
    "things"?!?!?!
  11. by   Liddle Noodnik
    The way I see it, the initial poster is just trying to work her way through this uncomfortable situation. When we "grow up" we should notice if a co-worker is dangerous, and report him/ her as appropriate. In the same way, I think reporting a fellow student is necessary when it's apparent the person is endangering patients.

    I think it's ok to process this on this forum, because it's not cool for the OP to discuss this with other students. So it's a learning experience for this student and for those reading the thread.

    As I mentioned, talking about the questionable student with your peers is NOT ok. This should be between you and the instructor. The instructor will then deal with the situation accordingly, and the outcome is none of our business. This is also as it should be when we become professionals - talking about your co-workers is a no no. And reporting someone should be based on facts and carefully considered.
  12. by   wildmountainchild
    I would have reported him too. But, I always like to treat others as I would like to be treated, so I would tell him about it first or have him come with me to talk to the instructor. I would pull him aside and explain my concerns, explain that I felt he was unsafe beyond the margin of mere student level mistakes and that I felt obligated to tell the teacher about it. I wouln't tell anyone else about what I had done except for my best nursing school friend b/c I know she wouldn't tell anyone else.

    In an ideal world instructors have time to watch every student all the time.....but come on....this is hardly and ideal world. I have a clinical instructor who dissapears for a few hours out of each 8 hours of our shift (we have no idea where she goes). How would she know that Joe Shmoe was going to inject KCL directly into the vein of a patient until he was stopped at the last possible second? How would she know he called a demented pt a b*tch to her face and made her cry (although she of course forgot about it 3 seconds later)? How would she know he let a pt sit in feces for hours b/c he was waiting for the CNA to come on shift?

    She wouldn't know. As a responsible human being I feel obligated to let those kinds of things be known. But, as mentioned above, I would tell the dangerous student about it....b/c I also feel obligated as a human being not to spring something on someone out of the blue.....even if I feel they are in the wrong.

    And......anyone should be able to vent, gossip, b*tch, harp, compliment, sing the praises of, or cry about anything on this board. Lord knows we all need a place where we can talk, in anonymous terms of course, about the pts, students, and teachers who drive us crazy. If we didn't have that we'd be a sorry bunch indeed.

    I don't agree with the way the OP handled the details of the situation, but if things were dangerous then the lives, dignity, and comfort of the patients have to take precedence over the unwritten code of never complaining about a fellow nurse.

    *All of the examples I gave above actually happened......would YOU let that go?
  13. by   Liddle Noodnik
    Quote from wildmountainchild
    I would have reported him too. But, I always like to treat others as I would like to be treated, so I would tell him about it first or have him come with me to talk to the instructor. I would pull him aside and explain my concerns, explain that I felt he was unsafe beyond the margin of mere student level mistakes and that I felt obligated to tell the teacher about it. I wouln't tell anyone else about what I had done except for my best nursing school friend b/c I know she wouldn't tell anyone else.

    In an ideal world instructors have time to watch every student all the time.....but come on....this is hardly and ideal world. I have a clinical instructor who dissapears for a few hours out of each 8 hours of our shift (we have no idea where she goes). How would she know that Joe Shmoe was going to inject KCL directly into the vein of a patient until he was stopped at the last possible second? How would she know he called a demented pt a b*tch to her face and made her cry (although she of course forgot about it 3 seconds later)? How would she know he let a pt sit in feces for hours b/c he was waiting for the CNA to come on shift?

    She wouldn't know. As a responsible human being I feel obligated to let those kinds of things be known. But, as mentioned above, I would tell the dangerous student about it....b/c I also feel obligated as a human being not to spring something on someone out of the blue.....even if I feel they are in the wrong.

    And......anyone should be able to vent, gossip, b*tch, harp, compliment, sing the praises of, or cry about anything on this board. Lord knows we all need a place where we can talk, in anonymous terms of course, about the pts, students, and teachers who drive us crazy. If we didn't have that we'd be a sorry bunch indeed.

    I don't agree with the way the OP handled the details of the situation, but if things were dangerous then the lives, dignity, and comfort of the patients have to take precedence over the unwritten code of never complaining about a fellow nurse.

    *All of the examples I gave above actually happened......would YOU let that go?


    GOOD POST! and the EXAMPLES ARE REAL!

    I especially go along with this part: In an ideal world instructors have time to watch every student all the time.....but come on....this is hardly and ideal world. I have a clinical instructor who dissapears for a few hours out of each 8 hours of our shift ... When I had students on my respiratory floor they became my OWN responsibility, on top of the patients I was already assigned. When students had questions, the instructors were nowhere around. And I think they should have been. I don't think it was the instructors' faults. I think it's the way the instructors are spread so thin...

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