I found out something dishonorable about my program today

  1. All,

    I was getting some counseling preparing to transfer out of my community college program. I made the assumption that since I only had a few prerequisites to complete for the RN program, I would only need a few more credits above that, since the school was selling RN classes as transferable to a four year program. It turns out that that was not exactly truthful. Some of the classes I've taken so far are NOT transferable, in fact, I'm very glad that I decided to ditch the RN program when I did because I saved myself a bunch of money on tuition and books.

    Here's the message that I'm trying to get across......................

    If you're going to go on for your BSN from a 2 year college, then you better get into your school's transfer database and project your classes to finish the program into it. The program at my school's website will even calculate your transfer GPA for you. Your college may just be getting you to stick around and pour money into it after your RN because what choice would you have? You shouldn't have assumed, right? Well, I think the practice of assuring incoming students that thier credits will transfer to a four year college, and just not giving them the whole story, is a little crooked.

    Your transfer dept should have a database called ARTSYS. That database will compare the classes you enter into it, and measure them for articulation against a four year college.

    The system may be different in your state. ARTSYS is what is used here in Maryland.

    Be aware that even the RN-BSN programs have a stipulation of prerequisites that your RN program will not fulfill.

    Nursing 101 turns out to be 7 credits that won't even qualify as an elective!:chuckle

    See.......told you it was crap
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  2. 14 Comments

  3. by   tonicareer
    Yes your right because only some classes transfer from my community college to the state colleges. Such as Anatomy and Physiology at the community college does not transfer as A and P but as a basic biology class instead. So talk first to the college you are thinking about transfering to and get it in writing because that is the only way you can prove it. Colleges don't want to really take transfer credit because they are losing money that way. Also online or video course are not always accepted either.
  4. by   renerian
    I learned the hard way like you did. It is pretty common for schools to say everything transfers but once you go to transfer for some odd reason, being sarcastic, it does not. Different theory, syllabus is different. I opted to get my BS, MS on line and got credit for all but one class in my ADN program. All I can say for others is be careful.

    renerian
  5. by   pama
    I do not believe your program was being dishonorable. All colleges and universities have specific requirements. It does not matter if you are attending a two year or a four year program.

    Tranferrability is based on the receiving institution requirements. It does not matter if you are in a nursing program, a business program, or a general education program, IF you are planning to transfer you need to look at ther receiving institution requirements first, then plan your schedule of classes.

    Many RN-BSN programs in WV give blanket credit for the ADN degree, however, you still must meet the college/universities Gen Ed requirements. As with everything else you have to be informed.

    Good luck in the future.
  6. by   emily_mom
    Do you have a four-year school that works in association with your tech? My tech works with the UW in town and it all transfers.

    Kristy
  7. by   Mkue
    We have some community colleges around here that allow you to transfer the first 2 yrs. to certain 4-yr institutions without any problems.

    I can see what you are saying Peeps and I'm not surprised that some schools do try to make $ off of unsuspecting students.

    Sorry this happend to you
  8. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    From Pama
    Transferrability is based on the receiving institution requirements. It does not matter if you are in a nursing program, a business program, or a general education program, IF you are planning to transfer you need to look at ther receiving institution requirements first, then plan your schedule of classes.
    Oh, it wasn't a lie exactly, but more an insinuation from a group of faculty, advisors included, that these credits were seamless with BSN programs in the state. Statements like "you need to complete these courses to transfer to a four year college", and "with your ADN you only need one more year for your BSN" are selling the program's portability of the 13 credits or so of actualy non-transferrable nursing classes.

    Take into account the classes that are required for admission to those non-transferrable classes, that are just as non-transferrable, but simply there to produce revenue and meet accreditation standards. The cost of books for those classes is also a loss on the personal finance ledger.

    Out of the 19 credits I have currently, 8 will transfer. By the end of this semester I will have 29 credits, of which, only 11 will transfer. If I had continured with recommended courses, by the end of my 59 credit ADN course I would have aquired a whopping 24 transferrable credits!

    I feel that if ADN students look at the transfer status of all required courses they would find that it would actualy save them money, and about a year, if they would skip ADN programs altogether. I don't think this is a unique situation.
  9. by   memphispanda
    Well...speaking from my own situation here. Before I decided what program to enter, I called around and asked different schools what their requirements were for continuing my education. I already have a BA in sociology. I was told that as long as I have a Bachelors in something, and my RN license, I could enter an MA program after taking 2-3 additional nursing classes. Not a bad deal.

    I do know that certain classes taken from the local community college will not transfer to other institutions. For example, my school doesn't accept Pharmacology from the community college. Another school I looked at doesn't accept speech from the community college. It is up to you as the student to research the program you plan to attend as well as what the requirements of the program are. The advisors are going to do what is best for the bottom line of the institution you are in.

    Sorry you got in a mess from freaky transfers. It can be very confusing and frustrating trying to sort it all out.
  10. by   meownsmile
    That used to be the case in my area too, however now the comm. college is working with a couple of the BS programs and all the class credit from the ADN program will transfer now. I think the key is checking with the community college and see if or which 4 year colleges they are working in partnership with for a full transfer of credit. The program here only started a couple years ago so maybe it is becoming more common.
  11. by   2banurse
    I pretty much go by the catalogs of not just my current community college but also the four-year I plan to transfer to. In order for me to get into the BSN program, I need to take courses (such as chemistry, nutrition. and a few others) not needed for the ADN program. Because the ADN is an A.S. degree program and not a A.A. program, there are courses that will need to be taken including those I've needed for the AA after I get my RN. So to put it in a nutshell find out from the college you are planning to transfer to...not the community college you are graduating from (unfortunately most CC advisors have no idea).

    Since I won't be finished with my prereqs until next fall, I'll have to wait for FAll of '04 before starting the BSN. I pretty much decided against the ADN because I don't feel that there is enough clinical hours, SO I've decided to do the one-year LPN with has a strong clinical base and do that simultaneously with getting my prereqs (only a class or two) and go right into the BSN.

    Sorry I driveled on...

    Kris
  12. by   renerian
    Peeps I like you checked around with the partering colleges with the one I went to and alas what was said was wrong. Made me mad too. What are you going to do?

    renerian
  13. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    I'm going to cut my losses and move on. I learned alot in Nurs 101 about how lab evaluations are done, and the way tests are worded. I won't be so shocked when the curicculum has practicaly no science in it.......................and I'll be graduating from a nationaly recognized university.

    What is most disturbing about this is that my soon-to-be-former program just finished an evaluation from the NLNAC and recieved the league's highest rating.:uhoh21:

    I wonder if the criterion shouldn't be revised..................ya think?

    Anyhoo, I'm not really upset because the experience has improved my GPA and I looked into the program's value before I invested too much.

    My school has transfer fairs that I could have gone to and inquired about my transcript. I knew the courses I would be taking............the fact is that my program said the credits would transfer, not just the admissions office, I just had no idea what a half-truth that was.

    I am urging everybody to get onto a website that measures the value of your current courses vs the school you plan on transfering to.

    Take the time now, before the next semester is paid for and the expensive books are purchased.

    Take a notebook and map out the time line to complete both options and I think you'll find a great advantage between prerequisites and 2 year college then transfer.........VS................prerequisites and 2 years at a university then BSN possibly to MSN,NP,CRNA,PA

    Don't burn up your loans spinning your wheels.

    Do it now.
  14. by   renerian
    Glad your not upset. It really won't get you anywhere except more mad.

    You have the right attitude.

    Oh by the way, my new job is going well. I love it!

    renerian

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