Class, Race, and Social Issues - page 4
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Issues such as race and social class can rub peoplesí nerves the wrong way, especially if one uses poor wording or an inappropriate tone during discussion. For this reason, I will try to generate discourse regarding the... Read More
- 0Jan 19, '13 by dlashonThere are black racist, yes I call my mom this every time she says something negative. Yes she is ignorant and hasn't been exposed to other races like I have, but because she uses certain comments she is a racist. Blacks believe they aren't racist because they don't have the power to discriminate which is what racist people do that have power. This is truly my last comment.
- 4Jan 19, '13 by LadyFree28Interesting comments jade lpn and PriscillaisMissed...I think you do bring up points that minorities can have the same issues on race as well. I think people should be cognizant to the human race's caste system that was in place centuries ago...as well as the phrenology theory about what characteristics define intelligence...humanity has had an unfortunate mix of what is pleasing and fact that makes it harder to break through on what histories we have learned of what is "acceptable" translating to what is "white" "black" "ethnic" "our culture" v. "your culture" etc. when the reality is our history is anything but clear cut...more or less, it's the United Nations!!! The difficulty is unlearning such practices that they are still there...for generations, the government used "redlining" as a practice to prevent integration of races, cultures, and incomes in certain housing areas, setting up decades of lack of access to economics, schooling, and healthcare. That's institutional racism and bias...and that is still alive and well...when you see that as an ethnic person, especially coming from a background of less means, it really does create a deep wound mentally...and the lack if trust really seeps through, especially, when the chances of advancement are slim, yet achievable...and that thought those memories are still fresh, especially when you encounter difficulties in nursing. In the south, most black nurses were LPNs for a period of time because most schools were not welcoming to blacks coming to universities or hospital schools to level the playing field, so to speak...there were segregated hospitals. These paths in history are REAL, and people have lived through those experiences...and the history is passed down. Those REAL moments cannot be forgotten, because it has created a lot of the health disparities that are present today. I think about those issues when I hit the floor as a nurse, however, I still treat people how I want to be treated, regardless of race, ethnicity, etc...I'm sure I've been all over the place, but those are the realties of a lot of minorities in America...and they have been really pushed in the fronts of many minds, especially with the current political climate of our country right now.
On a positive note, I think this thread is wonderful in pointing out that each poster has described a great deal of experiences I am sure we can relate to. We are all human with complex, interesting backgrounds!
- 0Jan 20, '13 by LadyFree28Thanks Trilldayz...history can define people's present and future, even when you are aiming for a better future...there will be people who remind you of the thinking of the past, however, I have lived "in the now" knowing the past, looking at the present, in order to look to the future...to do my best regardless of the circumstances!
- 1Fascinating thread, took courage to approach this topic.
In reply #8, the post (although, overall, a kinda sweet post)
this remark jumped out at me, and it doesn't appear anyone has mentioned this remark:
//"She was usually very helpful and taught me a lot, but not this day. She didn't let me do anything, and barely even said a word to me. She finally let me take someones BP and as I was taking it she pushed me out of the way and mumbled under her breath "white people are so stupid." I was dumbfounded, and I am sure the look on my face was priceless. I just could not understand why these people acted the way they were."//
Here, the author seems to taking one (1) person's remark, and extrapolating that one(1) person into "them", as if "they" were all the same, all shared that one (1) person's views, since they were all the same race. Almost always a mistake to do that.
- 2slightly off topic,
but, to form paragraphs, instead of hard-to-read monographs,
one just hits the "enter" key every few sentences....
WA-LA! look, a little blank space appears if you hit the 'enter' key.
sure makes it easier to keep one's place while reading long long long monographs, is using paragraphs.
- 1RE: multiple remarks about "that's not racist, it is just ignorant."
it is racist, to accept some stereotypes, but, ignore ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the other examples
which are hard to miss in todays society,
and try to extrapolate some of the stereotypes--------all the while ignoring (?) denying(?) all the other examples of humans in a race or gender group which do NOT fit into the stereotype----------------
is a choice one is making, whether or not they realize it.
It's pretty darn hard to find anyone in much of today's world
who really can be oblivious to all the examples which do break the stereotype.
That choice, is racism.
IF IF IF IF IF it were possible, for someone to stay completely isolated from any other examples than those seen in stereotypes
no books, no tv, no internet, no news, no radio, just no one around at all, to break up their stereotype,
yes, yes, i could agree, "Oh yeah, that isolated person with no radio, no tv, no news, no books, really just has NO other example to bust up their stereotype."
but, it's real hard for me to imagine where this person would live.Last edit by somenurse on Jan 20, '13
- 1Quote from wordsofmymouthI use the terms black and white, if the topic comes up. I am old, i grew up when the terms "black power" and "black is beautiful" and similar phrases were being promoted during the civil rights era,I'm still shocked that people my own age (early 20s) say such derogatory things about people. I'm a white girl, I grew up playing with and talking to all kinds of people, and I've never understood racism or sexism. Not too long ago someone talking to me started with "you know how black people are." Look out. Idiot crossing. The only thing I struggle with is knowing what labels to use. I've taken to asking people (people that I know well, not strangers at Walmart). "Do you like African-American or black better?" "Do you prefer Hispanic?" I personally don't like being called white, but no one likes the idea of European-American apparently.
ETA: Sorry, but Caucasian just sounds weird.
so to me, the term "black" has powerful and positive connotations to it. Very positive associations in MY mind to that word. but, again, i'm old.
I used to use the terms "african american" til a black coworker of mine mentioned to me, he himself dislikes the term, and feels annoyed whenever HE is referred to as "african american"....he is a recent immigrant from Ireland, his family was there for centuries, and he sees himself as Irish, and feels his family tree has no more to do with africa than anyone else.
Then i thought about it, and i don't refer to my white pal, as "german-american".
I wouldn't refer to my white coworker a "french american".
If we aren't breaking up white people by country of origin, why do it to black americans, many of whom had family trees in america going back for centuries.
plus, if scientists are right, we are all from africa, if we go back far enough.Last edit by somenurse on Jan 20, '13
- 0ah, i can no longer find the remark i was about to reply to, it must have gotten deleted, or, i am not finding it, but, it was from a person of one group, pointing at another group, and making claim "they" are "most racist" of all,
which was almost amusing.
It's probably rare for one to feel the brunt of racism from within their OWN group!! rofl. If i were a white person, it'd be kinda unbelievable for me to claim, "i've suffered so much racism from my white pals cuz i am white." Would anyone believe me if i said that?
and then, since other white people haven't much discriminated against my whiteness, then make claim that some other group, must be "most racist" since some in the other group have treated me differently since i was different race than they were, but, my own group never much discriminated against me.
fascinating way to make a conclusion....
Also, not eveyrone does, but, i view reactionary racism as slightly different from general racism. If someone has experienced oppression, was raised by parents who experienced blatant racism and oppression, has relatives and other people they know very well that have been victims of racism, and has tons of evidence that racism does exist,
well, imo, that person's difficulty in getting past their inner fear or resentment,
is kinda more understandable to me, than someone who hasn't been oppressed based on their skin pigment.
it's not quite the same thing in my mind anyway.Last edit by somenurse on Jan 20, '13