Cheating? - page 5

Hi everyone.... Just had a question for you guys....how do your instructors handle cheating? At my school the instructors are sooo strict about cheating even though we really havent given them any... Read More

  1. by   DusktilDawn
    Quote from thatoneguy
    na dosent bother me at all. as long as i am getting the grade i earned. if i work hard and earn a A then i am happy. someone elses grade doesnt matter at all, their grade doesnt reflect me or my efforts in any way. i went to school to learn and thats what i did. telling on someone why?? whats the purpose? doesnt change anything for you. it all comes out in the wash anyway. i do however think if your caught you should be kicked out. but i see no reason for me to go out of my way in a effort to bring shame to someone else in a class setting. why not be a team player and talk to the students you saw cheating and offer you help? if you really care instead of trying to get rid of them try to help them. i bet if you help them they will be less likely to cheat in the future. JMO
    Actually by saying nothing you've aided and abetted, and I'm sure they appreciate that "help." In the long run, they will have learned that dishonesty pays and will carry that lesson with them into the workforce. JMHO.

    Certainly I'd be glad to help anyone and have when I was a student, that is being a team player. Encouraging one to do the right thing, instead of carrying the personal shame of being a cheat, that is being a team player.
  2. by   thatoneguy
    look if you do your homework you would see that 75% of american college students admit to cheating at one time. so by what your saying and thinking only 25% of college students should still be in school. the others should be thrown out and forgotten. if you have ever cheated, maybe you took 11 items in the 10 item or less checkout, even if the checker said its ok, your a cheater and should not be a nurse. thats the black and white of it. not being sympathetic but realistic. like i said at first i think if your caught your out of that class. but the honorable thing to do is reach out them not tell on them. unless you signed a code of honor(which each code varies in its contence). one code of honor says "i will not leave a fallen Comrade behind" so if they cheat you should stay with them and not leave them behind right?
  3. by   pixie-dust37
    Quote from thatoneguy
    look if you do your homework you would see that 75% of american college students admit to cheating at one time. so by what your saying and thinking only 25% of college students should still be in school. the others should be thrown out and forgotten. if you have ever cheated, maybe you took 11 items in the 10 item or less checkout, even if the checker said its ok, your a cheater and should not be a nurse. thats the black and white of it. not being sympathetic but realistic. like i said at first i think if your caught your out of that class. but the honorable thing to do is reach out them not tell on them. unless you signed a code of honor(which each code varies in its contence). one code of honor says "i will not leave a fallen Comrade behind" so if they cheat you should stay with them and not leave them behind right?
    Umm, first of all, taking 11 items to the 10 item or less checkout lines is totally different than cheating on a test in college.Especially when you are trying to LEARN the material so that you will understand it when you have a real "live" patient who needs your knowledge because their "life" depends on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    So, your comparison is totally off base. That doesn't even compare. You are comparing apples to oranges.

    You are also saying that it is "honorable" not to tell on them for cheating? WRONG!! Excuse me, but I do not want to be aiding and abetting cheaters, especially when I can get into the same trouble for covering up for them. They made their beds, they need to lie in them.

    I'm all for helping the next person, especially if they are my "comrades", but there is such a thing as your own personal integrity. I just do not think that people should get by in life by cheating. And if they get caught, then hopefully they will learn a valuable lesson. That life is hard and you have to work hard to make it in this world.

    I personally do not have ANY sympathy for people who cheat on tests. They need to work harder to learn and understand the material. Our school offers tutoring and study groups specifically for Anatomy and Physiology. There is NO excuse. I have attended those study groups and they really helped me understand certain material that I could not understand on my own.

    I work very hard to maintain my "A". Others should do the same. End of story!!

    BTW, I would offer to help ANYONE who asked or needed it. But that thing is that this girl has never asked anyone for help. The only thing I can say about her is that she's gonna have a hard time taking the NCLEX when the time comes. She only has herself to blame.

    There will always be certain people who will get by in life by cheating and certain people who will condone it. Unfortunately, lives of patients will suffer at the hands of people like that.
    Last edit by pixie-dust37 on Oct 14, '05 : Reason: more to say
  4. by   DusktilDawn
    Quote from thatoneguy
    look if you do your homework you would see that 75% of american college students admit to cheating at one time. so by what your saying and thinking only 25% of college students should still be in school. the others should be thrown out and forgotten. if you have ever cheated, maybe you took 11 items in the 10 item or less checkout, even if the checker said its ok, your a cheater and should not be a nurse. thats the black and white of it. not being sympathetic but realistic. like i said at first i think if your caught your out of that class. but the honorable thing to do is reach out them not tell on them. unless you signed a code of honor(which each code varies in its contence). one code of honor says "i will not leave a fallen comrade behind" so if they cheat you should stay with them and not leave them behind right?
    you can play on semantics all you want. you can try to make things "black and white," when the truth of the matter is that rarely is anything "black or white," it's mainly shades of gray. no one person is perfect and we all have done things or made choices we regret.
    "one code of honor says "i will not leave a fallen comrade behind" so if they cheat you should stay with them and not leave them behind right?" big difference between leaving a fallen comrade behind in battle and enabling a person to cheat.

    loyal: faithful to one's oath, engagements,or obligations, faithful to any person or thing conceived as imposing obligations.
    sorry i don't consider loyalty to agree with or go along with someone who is doing something wrong. i don't consider allowing one to cheat as having anything to do with loyalty. an act of a loyal friend would be to encourage the right thing and stand by that person when they do. as a student the obligation is to learn the material and pass the course on your own merit, it's also about being faithful to yourself and others.


    honor: high public esteem, credit, fame, or glory; an exemplary sense of personal moral standards and conduct; a source or cause of credit or distinction; as to be an honor to one's family.
    as a student, where's the honor in cheating? where's the honor in allowing it to go on?

    honorable: worthy of being honored; motivated by principles of honor; conferring honor.
    there is no honor in cheating, there is no honor in turning a blind eye. what makes one honorable is the way strive to live our lives and how we handle our mistakes.

    look if you do your homework you would see that 75% of american college students admit to cheating at one time. so by what your saying and thinking only 25% of college students should still be in school. the others should be thrown out and forgotten. if you have ever cheated, maybe you took 11 items in the 10 item or less checkout, even if the checker said its ok, your a cheater and should not be a nurse. thats the black and white of it. not being sympathetic but realistic.
    sad numbers, but if your not part of the solution, your part of the problem. sounds more apathetic. jmho.
    Last edit by DusktilDawn on Oct 14, '05
  5. by   pixie-dust37
    Very well said, Dusktildawn.

    You go girl!!!!
  6. by   pixie-dust37
    Quote from thatoneguy
    look if you do your homework you would see that 75% of american college students admit to cheating at one time. so by what your saying and thinking only 25% of college students should still be in school. the others should be thrown out and forgotten. if you have ever cheated, maybe you took 11 items in the 10 item or less checkout, even if the checker said its ok, your a cheater and should not be a nurse. thats the black and white of it. not being sympathetic but realistic. like i said at first i think if your caught your out of that class. but the honorable thing to do is reach out them not tell on them. unless you signed a code of honor(which each code varies in its contence). one code of honor says "i will not leave a fallen Comrade behind" so if they cheat you should stay with them and not leave them behind right?
    thatoneguy, I noticed that you are an RN. Geesh, your certainly NOT setting a very good example for us "students" who hope to become nurses. Also, I would think that you wouldn't be supporting those that cheat. You should know better. Shame on you.
  7. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    if you really care instead of trying to get rid of them try to help them. i bet if you help them they will be less likely to cheat in the future.
    Help them? I've got enough to do doing my OWN work, i'm not going to help other just to keep them from cheating.

    And if someone's cheating on tests, makes you wonder what else they'll cheat on.
  8. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    if you have ever cheated, maybe you took 11 items in the 10 item or less checkout, even if the checker said its ok, your a cheater and should not be a nurse.
    Apples and oranges, no pun intended.
  9. by   thatoneguy
    i am not saying cheating is right. and was trying to say its not black and white by giving those examples. most hospitals work on the honor system, i would say just about every nurse at least 80% of them have been late 5 min but signed there time cards as 7:00 not 7:05. should they all be fired for cheating the hospital out of money?? if you say no then your a hippocrate. they are not only cheating the hospital out of money but lying and participating in fraudulant behavior. and this happens all the time daily infact.
    Last edit by thatoneguy on Oct 15, '05
  10. by   thatoneguy
    Quote from pixie-dust37
    Umm, first of all, taking 11 items to the 10 item or less checkout lines is totally different than cheating on a test in college.
    no it is the same cheating is cheating. perhaps to you cheating on a test is big. but to me cheating in line is big. so you think your kind of cheating is ok but other cheating is not? i dont cheat on my test or in line. so why is it ok for you to cheat in line?
    to be honest i think cheating is not ok at all. but if you think your better for cheating on a time card or in line than someone that cheats on a test your very wrong its the same and takes the same type of person to do such a thing, you know its wrong but you do it anyway, its the same. what do you think would happen if i reported all the nurses that show up to work at 7:05 and wrote down 7:00. what about the nurses that leave 10-15min early everyday, which is just about all of them each and everyday. according to you guys/girls it is my responsibility to report them. in theory yeah sure but in reality, yeah right. this is my whole point. sure according to all we read and know we should report anything like this. but just like taking the board test, sure on the test you need to do this but in the real world it just dosent work like that.
  11. by   KatieBell
    Quote from thatoneguy
    i am not saying cheating is right. and was trying to say its not black and white by giving those examples. most hospitals work on the honor system, i would say just about every nurse at least 80% of them have been late 5 min but signed there time cards as 7:00 not 7:05. should they all be fired for cheating the hospital out of money?? if you say no then your a hippocrate. they are not only cheating the hospital out of money but lying and participating in fraudulant behavior. and this happens all the time daily infact.
    You have a sign in and out system at your hospital?? Wow.
    Everywhere I have worked requires electronic sign in. Hospitals have policies about lateness, and I know one nurse who could not come to work on time, and she is no longer working. The policy on lateness applies to nurses as does a policy on cheating for students. In fact, the policies are different, academic dishonesty one thing, being late to work is another, both have written policies to address them.

    Thing is that this thread was started about academic dishonesty, not about work behaviors, or shopping behaviors. There are Policies for each thing, and they shouldn't be compared (I think the shopping behavior policy may be unwritten... )
    I tutored A and P through Nursing school- for students who were having trouble, thats the way to not leave someone behind...
  12. by   DusktilDawn
    Quote from thatoneguy
    i am not saying cheating is right. and was trying to say its not black and white by giving those examples. most hospitals work on the honor system, i would say just about every nurse at least 80% of them have been late 5 min but signed there time cards as 7:00 not 7:05. should they all be fired for cheating the hospital out of money?? if you say no then your a hippocrate. they are not only cheating the hospital out of money but lying and participating in fraudulant behavior. and this happens all the time daily infact.
    Well my employer gets at least 30 minutes to 2 hours of work out of me: UNPAID and FREE. This is not unusual for the vast majority of nurses. Just because it is the norm does not make it right. In fact I will docked pay for the time I come in 5 min late. Frankly my facility cheats me out of money, not the other way around. If it is not this way where you work, please tell me where I can apply. I'll gladly show up on time and if I am 5 minutes late will fess up.
    Last edit by DusktilDawn on Oct 15, '05
  13. by   thatoneguy
    ucla is where i work. come on down. i have lots of my friends who work at other hospitals here in cali and they all go by the honor system. but none the less cheating is cheating no matter where you are in school, work at the market. and yes they should be compared because school is only where it starts, but it manifests itself in the real world. what is the point of being honest and ethical in school if your not honest and ethical at work. if you tell on someone at school because it is the ethical thing to do you should be taking that same attitude with you out of school and tell on all these nurses for writting the wrong time in on their cards.
    i am not just talking about being late, but signing the time card and writing the wrong time in.
    what i have been trying to do is get you to see the difference between what should be and what is. here i geuss since i see thing differently i am a bad person and unethical.
    ok lets just see how ethical you all are. check yourself 75% of students today admit to cheating on a test; should 75% of all students be removed and only let the other 25% of students continue their education? ethically what should be done? in reality what should be done?

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