Cheating? - page 4

Hi everyone.... Just had a question for you guys....how do your instructors handle cheating? At my school the instructors are sooo strict about cheating even though we really havent given them any... Read More

  1. by   pixie-dust37
    Quote from Fun2Care
    That was my comment on the other post. Good luck to you.
    Yea, I saw "part" of your comment on my e-mail. But I couldn't get to my original thread because it keeps logging me out when I go to it. (technical difficulties or something)

    So, I took your advice and made a fake e-mail at yahoo and sent an anonymous e-mail to my teacher. I sure hope he starts to watch during tests now.
    Thanks for the idea.
  2. by   tmd76
    Sounds a lot like our school. We have to put backpacks down as we come in, and all tests are on the computer with screens on them so that if the person next to you looks over at your computer, all they see is a black screen. I think that has become the standard for all nursing schools now....not that cheating would help you when it comes time for the NCLEX anyway, so I am not sure why anyone would try.
  3. by   DusktilDawn
    Quote from wannaBEanRN
    I'm curious whether to others think of this as cheating. I'm going to withhold my thoughts on it and what my friend did about it:

    We just got our first exam back in Micro. Passing is an 80%. I passed with an 84%. A friend of mine missed the class before our exam, as her 5yo son was having surgery. He was in the hospital for 5 days, and came home 2 days before the exam. My friend stayed with her son in the hospital the whole time, which is in another state.

    My friend takes the exam, but does tell the prof that it won't be representative of her best work, as she didn't have time to study as she wanted. She got a 74% on the exam when they were handed back.

    We went over the exams in class, and were told to check the prof's math (adding up our own scores to make sure they're right). My friend realized that she did not get a 74, but instead a 66.

    I know many people would not say anything regarding a lower score. Do you feel it's cheating not to say anything? Does her extenuating circumstances factor in to whether she should say anything or not? And if she didn't tell, do *I* have the obligation to say something to the prof if I know the grade is incorrect?
    Wow, I can see where one would be tempted not to say anything.
    I consider cheating the act of not earning what you have been given credit for. I would say something to an instructor if it was me. I don't think I could look myself in the mirror if I took credit for something I do not deserve. I view taking credit something not earned to be cheating. Depending on one's actions after learning there was an adding error on a test determines whether they are cheating IMHO.

    When I was a student, our instructors made it very clear that if we were aware of cheating going on and by not reporting it, that was also considered cheating. In regards to this situation Whitney, your friend has now made you part of this ethical dilemma. If she is honest and reports the miscalculation, you don't have a problem. If she chooses not to, now you could be considered an enabler/accomplice. Frankly I would place the ball back into their court in this situation. The option would be either you be honest about it or I will.

    I'm guessing your friend was honest and reported this to the instructor.
  4. by   thatoneguy
    i think you guys are asking for it by telling. its only a grade on one test not worth risking your life. but hey take your chances. just remember if they are desperate enough to cheat and you telling ended their dream and caused all kinds of problems for them they just might blame you for all their problems. or that might push a person to take their own life. you dont know the mental state of that person. the question i would ask my self is why were you looking. was this not a test. sure seems your working hard to knock down someone while thinking of make your "A's" more noticed. hummm think about it.
  5. by   SFCardiacRN
    A couple of years ago, two brothers got caught cheating on the NCLEX. The result was a permanent ban on ever getting an RN license. Cheaters deserve what ever they get and do not belong in nursing!!!
  6. by   pixie-dust37
    Quote from thatoneguy
    i think you guys are asking for it by telling. its only a grade on one test not worth risking your life. but hey take your chances. just remember if they are desperate enough to cheat and you telling ended their dream and caused all kinds of problems for them they just might blame you for all their problems. or that might push a person to take their own life. you dont know the mental state of that person. the question i would ask my self is why were you looking. was this not a test. sure seems your working hard to knock down someone while thinking of make your "A's" more noticed. hummm think about it.

    Ummmm, not really. I am in no way trying to make myself look better by noticing that someone else is cheating!! geesh, that doesn't even make any sense!

    I am however, really P.O.'d when I am leaving the room after taking a test and see someone else whispering the answers to the person right in front of them. I was not even looking at them during the test, I was staring straight down at MY paper, so I could get that "A"

    Doesn't it even bother you at all when you have studied your rear off and see someone else just getting the answers "told" to them???????

    By the way, I sent an anonymous e-mail to my instructor, so they won't even know it's me!!
  7. by   pixie-dust37
    Quote from SFCardiacRN
    A couple of years ago, two brothers got caught cheating on the NCLEX. The result was a permanent ban on ever getting an RN license. Cheaters deserve what ever they get and do not belong in nursing!!!
    AMEN!!!!! I agree 100%!!! What comes around goes around.
  8. by   DusktilDawn
    Quote from thatoneguy
    i think you guys are asking for it by telling. its only a grade on one test not worth risking your life. but hey take your chances. just remember if they are desperate enough to cheat and you telling ended their dream and caused all kinds of problems for them they just might blame you for all their problems. or that might push a person to take their own life. you dont know the mental state of that person. the question i would ask my self is why were you looking. was this not a test. sure seems your working hard to knock down someone while thinking of make your "A's" more noticed. hummm think about it.
    Seemingly happy people take their lives, people get killed cutting off the wrong person on the freeway BTW. It's about honor and integrity. People aren't on "cheater alert" for the purpose of "brownie points" with the teach. It becomes another's issue when the cheater involves them, even if it is inadvertent (ie: you happen to notice, which is usually the case), now it becomes your issue of honor and integrity.

    The vast majority of cheaters, are looking for a short-cut, the easy-way, rarely does desparation play a role their actions, and yes depending on how a course is graded, they can affect EVERYONE'S grade. If a course is graded on a curve, guess what, someone who busted their butt studying and choose NOT TO cheat (despite the fact they may not be the best at taking tests, heck maybe they even have actual difficulties when it comes to tests) may now have their mark adversely affected because of a cheater and now maybe they cannot achieve their dream. The cheater moves on and the honest person is left behind.

    The issue reporting cheating is not about knocking someone down so one can reign supreme on "A MOUNTAIN."

    Seriously, do you want someone that lacks honor and integrity taking care of you in the hospital?
    These are the people that will fudge their documentation, cover their butt possibly at the expense of another, and possibly place patients in danger either by lack of knowledge or the inability to admit a mistake. These are the ones who will look for the easy-way to do things, take short-cuts with patient care, put the least possible effort into their job.

    Hummmm think about it.
  9. by   thatoneguy
    Quote from pixie-dust37
    Doesn't it even bother you at all when you have studied your rear off and see someone else just getting the answers "told" to them???????
    na dosent bother me at all. as long as i am getting the grade i earned. if i work hard and earn a A then i am happy. someone elses grade doesnt matter at all, their grade doesnt reflect me or my efforts in any way. i went to school to learn and thats what i did. telling on someone why?? whats the purpose? doesnt change anything for you. it all comes out in the wash anyway. i do however think if your caught you should be kicked out. but i see no reason for me to go out of my way in a effort to bring shame to someone else in a class setting. why not be a team player and talk to the students you saw cheating and offer you help? if you really care instead of trying to get rid of them try to help them. i bet if you help them they will be less likely to cheat in the future. JMO
  10. by   Fun2, RN, BSN
    That's why I suggested an anonymous, no names being called e-mail saying it looked like two people may have been cheating. Please watch the class better for the next test....etc.

    No one is named, no one is "caught" being the "narc", and no one gets an A that has only studied enough to make a F!


    In my A&P class there were two sisters cheating, or "talking" during a lab practical. I stopped still and just stared at them. Luckily, the instructor saw them, and reminded the room there was to be no talking...


    I don't know what I would have done, but I know good and well everytime one of the sisters would ask me if I thought a test was easy, I would reply, "Yes it was easy for me, but I studied extremely hard. So, it's hard for me to say if it will be easy or hard for you. It all depends on how much you have studied."


    Quote from thatoneguy
    na dosent bother me at all. as long as i am getting the grade i earned. if i work hard and earn a A then i am happy. someone elses grade doesnt matter at all, their grade doesnt reflect me or my efforts in any way. i went to school to learn and thats what i did. telling on someone why?? whats the purpose? doesnt change anything for you. it all comes out in the wash anyway. i do however think if your caught you should be kicked out. but i see no reason for me to go out of my way in a effort to bring shame to someone else in a class setting. why not be a team player and talk to the students you saw cheating and offer you help? if you really care instead of trying to get rid of them try to help them. i bet if you help them they will be less likely to cheat in the future. JMO
  11. by   epiphany
    Quote from SFCardiacRN
    A couple of years ago, two brothers got caught cheating on the NCLEX. The result was a permanent ban on ever getting an RN license. Cheaters deserve what ever they get and do not belong in nursing!!!
    How can anyone possibly cheat on the Nclex, I'm curious to know. Every particle of air was under surveillance at my test center.

    A lot of cheating went on in my school, as far as I could detect. The proctors didn't do their jobs and I always heard whispering behind me. There was the usualy policing - bags in front of the room, instructors assigning seatings randomly, but people can get very creative. And the worst cheating was on the research papers. Many people got papers from the previous graduating class, and since the grading was split up between so many instructors, it was easy a get a different instructor. People cheating in my class made me feel violated - you bust your behind ( not to mention over dry subject ) while some other student hitches free ride.

    But I did feel sorry for us, because we got literally no guidelines on our papers, and there was a huge disparity in the grading between instructors. Some instructors identified their expectations very clearly, while others refused to speak to the students.

    Many a time I entertained the though of giving in, giving up on caring, and cheat. But then I decided that I would refused to let them turn me into someone I couldn't respect. I could at least graduate with my integrity intact. bleh, I'm getting flash backs and post traumatic syndrome. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to rant.
  12. by   pixie-dust37
    Quote from thatoneguy
    na dosent bother me at all. as long as i am getting the grade i earned. if i work hard and earn a A then i am happy. someone elses grade doesnt matter at all, their grade doesnt reflect me or my efforts in any way. i went to school to learn and thats what i did. telling on someone why?? whats the purpose? doesnt change anything for you. it all comes out in the wash anyway. i do however think if your caught you should be kicked out. but i see no reason for me to go out of my way in a effort to bring shame to someone else in a class setting. why not be a team player and talk to the students you saw cheating and offer you help? if you really care instead of trying to get rid of them try to help them. i bet if you help them they will be less likely to cheat in the future. JMO
    I seriously doubt that the girl "receiving" her answers from the girl behind her would study with me if I offered. It seems that it's much easier for her to just get the answers from the friend behind her! To some people they just do not want to put in the amount of time it requires to get an "A" honestly.

    I never said I was TRYING to get rid of anyone. These two girls are actually pretty nice, but I DO NOT condone this kind of behavior. As another poster already stated, would you want someone like this caring for you in the hospital? People who cheat in school are more likely to cheat in the workplace. (like in a hospital, taking care of patients) They are looking for shortcuts!!! Plain and simple. I wouldn't want this kind of helathcare provider taking care of me!

    Also, I am not trying to bring shame to anyone. That is why I sent an anonymous e-mail to my instructor, and did not mention any names. I just think he should be aware of what is happening in his classroom.

    When people decide to go to school, especially for nursing or any other kind of healthcare field, they should be prepared to do the work, without shorcuts.Period!
  13. by   pixie-dust37
    Quote from thatoneguy
    na dosent bother me at all. as long as i am getting the grade i earned. if i work hard and earn a A then i am happy. someone elses grade doesnt matter at all, their grade doesnt reflect me or my efforts in any way. i went to school to learn and thats what i did. telling on someone why?? whats the purpose? doesnt change anything for you. it all comes out in the wash anyway. i do however think if your caught you should be kicked out. but i see no reason for me to go out of my way in a effort to bring shame to someone else in a class setting. why not be a team player and talk to the students you saw cheating and offer you help? if you really care instead of trying to get rid of them try to help them. i bet if you help them they will be less likely to cheat in the future. JMO
    BTW, it makes me wonder why you are so sympathetic towards cheaters?

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