Atheist Professers - page 15

:confused: Hi everyone! I'm kind of new here, and I have a question: Right now I'm in A&P and my professor is an all out atheist. I realized when I decided to go the nursing route I would... Read More

  1. by   indeed
    OK Peeps, it's time for that quoted rebuttle you so kindly provided instructions for.

    Originally posted by Peeps Mcarthur
    Atheists,
    You don't believe in anything, do you? How can you be "attacked for your beliefs"? I think you're getting that confused with feeling attacked for not having beliefs. I think that any little attempt of expression by any people of a certain belief, would make you feel attacked.
    I believe in PLENTY. As an Atheist, I believe that the concept of a "god" is in place because the human mind is unable to adequately handle chaos. When something extreme and out of the norm happens, more often than not, mental illness quickly follows. Our minds are not capable (for the most part) of handling much of what we see day to day. It's accepted that because of this, ancient civilizations prayed to gods of rain and thunder and what not...because there minds could not grasp, much less explain, the destructive powers of these forces. But now we live in a world where some of these things have been explained, we are dealing with more complex fear (and, on the flip side, more complex joy). Our gods still exist, though, because there is still much that we can not yet explain. Now, here is where (in my mind) the branch occurs between Atheists and those who believe in god...as an Atheist, I BELIEVE that the things which we cannot (at this very milisecond) explain are not, by nature, unexplainable. Like lightning and the shape of the earth, there is much that we STILL do not know...but all that means to me is that we haven't gotten to that point in our development as humans yet. One who believes in god, I imagine, will believe that the unexplainable can be explained ONLY through the presence of a higher power. But there is more. I BELIEVE that people use their god as an excuse to do unspeakable harm to those they love and those they hate. I BELIEVE that as human beings, we are the ONLY things that will ultimately decide where we end up in this life. I BELIEVE that the good in humans is not attributable to a higher power, that much of it has it's base in instinct (which, on the whole, we don't need as much as we used to...yay technology for somewhat ridding us of the whole hunter-prey game). I BELIEVE that both the good and the bad of a person should be the sole responsibility OF THAT PERSON. I could go on all day, Peeps, but hopefully I have made my point. I don't see a person's statement of his/her belief in god as an attack. If I did, I would barely be able to survive in this world.

    Christians,

    Atheists do not believe in a God(invisible man) because it does not require the critical thinking involved in asking the question "where do we come from?". They don't care about an origin because it has to be reasoned from faith. They have no faith in anything other than they can see before them. You can not give someone faith. When somebody says "I don't believe in God" they are in denial that what you believe in even exists. Without a "burning bush" in thier lives they have only to wait for death for thier hypothesis to be qualified.......or not.
    Origin does not, in my belief system, need to be reasoned from faith. As I said above, I feel this is something we simply do not have knowledge of YET. As for not having faith in that which I cannot see, that is utterly ridiculous. I have faith in my loved ones honesty and trust of me, in their loyalty to me and our relationships. Faith is not the exclusive domain of those who believe in god, and it is foolish to claim it is. Faith needs an object, and that object need not be a god. And finally, I am not in denial...denial implies that deep down I do believe in god. And whilst I imagine my life could possibly be easier were I to have a god, I still don't believe.

    One more thing.................When an professed atheist, such as the professor in the topic(remember him?) speaks out against a belief in God, are'nt they just seeking answers about God?
    Put away the leashes.
    What bothers the person that wants the Pledge of Allegience changed if they are truly an atheist? If they don't really believe in God, why would it bother them? I think that person has a need to try and put God farther out of the picture so they can not believe in God even more.......................

    An old saying from my years in sales................"you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.................so you have to make them thirsty .
    And you wonder why people were accusing you of being condescending. You just speant all of those words in saying what DebraLynn was much more to the point about...that we are "confused little people." Believe what you want. It doesn't really make a difference to me at this point. But understand that you are not the only one, and that our motivations as Atheists for wanting to keep "god" out of our government and public lives is born not of denial or what have you, but a desire to be able to live our lives outside of the dictates of YOUR BELIEFS.

    Indeed.
  2. by   LasVegasRN
    Wow, Indeed sometimes you just impress the hell outta me. EXCELLENT POST!!
  3. by   Stargazer
    indeed, nicely stated. Although I'm not an atheist, I was thinking of attempting to answer that incredible diatribe because I have lots of friends who are atheist or agnostic; but I was pretty sure I'd just muck it up. Thanks.
  4. by   sbic56
    Indeed

    I have seen you post your most poignant thoughts so astutely in the past... you have done it again...

    Or as Vegas stated..."You impress the hell outta me!"
  5. by   researchrabbit
    Originally posted by sbic56
    PuppyLuv
    Tell me you aren't serious, because you are seriously scaring me!! Your ranting is scattered, inflammatory and shows absolutely no insight on the issues you are trying to "debate". Intelligently voicing opinions are fine; your demeaning statements on things you don't agree with is just plain hateful. Maybe you SHOULD go smoke a fat one. Couldn't hurt! Vegas is a very wise and intellectually sound person. Listen and learn. Your telling her to "grow up" makes you look even more foolish.
    I concur (except the part about smoking a fat one; I suggest SSRIs or maybe an mood stabilizer. What can I say, I'm a psych nurse.).

    When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
  6. by   Mkue
    Originally posted by karmagrl
    What happened? I went to post a reply to Ker-ker's question and suddenly i am in Hawaii? Toto, we are no longer in Kansas! "-)
    " I want to go Home, I want to go Home (Dorothy says as she clicks her red shoes)

    oh sorry, wrong thread !

    BYE !!
  7. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    Wow, indeed! I'm speechless! And that doesn't happen often.

    Excellent post!

    Heather
  8. by   indeed
    Thanks you guys...it meant a lot to see the variety of you that got my back on this thread. It's people like you that make me keep my faith in humanity. THIS BOARD RAWKS!!!! Now, where is that tequila already??

    Indeed.
  9. by   studentOH
    And as for the gay marriage issue I'm sorry I was under the impression it's legal in all states but it is legal in some states though I'm not sure which ones. So can we please act like adults here?


    WHOA WHOA WHOA!! It's not legal in ANY state, hawaii and california have passed specific laws against it. In 8 states I can't even have sex without being the threat of being arrested. The only state that has ANYTHING similar is Vermont, but they called it a "civil union" which does NOT transfer over to any other state and therefore is not a marriage in the US. Act like adults? You're beyond help. Just turn PAX back on and tune out the world.
  10. by   LasVegasRN
    I am directing this post specifically to PuppyLuv. I got a PM asking why I thought Indeed's post was a good one. Here was my reply (slightly revised for this post):

    I thought it was a great post because it was not condescending at all. She presented her thoughts in a very intelligent, non-confrontational way, which is extremely difficult to do with a controversial subject. She made it clear that it was her opinion, and based on her thoughts only. I do not understand atheism either, but it is not for me to understand, nor to condemn or pass judgement. What I cannot stand, as a Christian, is when other Christians start name-calling and bashing other people and other faiths. That, in my opinion, is not the way of a Christian. My belief is that we should lead by example. Christianity should not consist of people who like beating others with bibles and attacking with condescension. How can we expect others to reach out and at least consider Christianity as something that represents love and tolerance when we have people behaving like that? I know some may not agree with me, but I truly believe Christianity is rooted in love of all mankind. As Christians and as HUMANS, that love should show through when ever we speak and how ever we act.

    To me, if you are solid with your faith-base, no one and nothing can influence you or intimidate you. I don't normally espouse my beliefs on this BB because I don't feel the need to. I am comfortable enough in my faith-base to not be uncomfortable with someone else's. Make sense? Hope so.
    Last edit by LasVegasRN on Aug 14, '02
  11. by   studentOH
    INDEED: WONDERFUL post. I'm printing it out and keeping it. Have you read anything by Russell? Even though i believe in the queen spider (just watched southpark *lol*) I still enjoy his writing.

    Renee: I'll surf the CNN archives to find the latest. I thought that it had passed in Hawaii but was overturned a few months later. California brought it up to vote and that was the end of that hehe.

    Mamalove: Understanding why we were attacked and the reasons our government has taken the actions (and hesitated on others) would require extensive study in politics, economics, religion, sociology, psychology, and international studies. Blaming what you see on people that are different from you is no answer to solving any problem, much less convincing us of anything. See if you can find a newsweek from last year and read an article called "Why They Hate Us." It's a good start.

    To all Christians: Your diversity and unity give you great power in this world. Lead a life of love, peace and acceptance and others will soon follow.

    I'm done posting on this thread, but it was one of my favs. Keep up the thinking *lol*. good night.

    Brian
  12. by   studentOH
    One more thing..maybe telling pupluv to smoke a fat one is the wrong approach. Egg her on, she seems to love the abuse and I'm getting a good laugh out of it. Just hope she's not there when I get my license. "Code Catfight 8 west...."

    Bri
  13. by   researchrabbit
    Originally posted by LasVegasRN
    I am directing this post specifically to PuppyLuv. I got a PM asking why I thought Indeed's post was a good one. Here was my reply (slightly revised for this post):

    I thought it was a great post because it was not condescending at all. She presented her thoughts in a very intelligent, non-confrontational way, which is extremely difficult to do with a controversial subject. She made it clear that it was her opinion, and based on her thoughts only. I do not understand atheism either, but it is not for me to understand, nor to condemn or pass judgement. What I cannot stand, as a Christian, is when other Christians start name-calling and bashing other people and other faiths. That, in my opinion, is not the way of a Christian. My belief is that we should lead by example. Christianity should not consist of people who like beating others with bibles and attacking with condescension. How can we expect others to reach out and at least consider Christianity as something that represents love and tolerance when we have people behaving like that? I know some may not agree with me, but I truly believe Christianity is rooted in love of all mankind. As Christians and as HUMANS, that love should show through when ever we speak and how ever we act.

    To me, if you are solid with your faith-base, no one and nothing can influence you or intimidate you. I don't normally espouse my beliefs on this BB because I don't feel the need to. I am comfortable enough in my faith-base to not be uncomfortable with someone else's. Make sense? Hope so.
    Well said, thanks!!

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