Why Do Nurses Quit? - page 12

Jamie looked at the framed group photo on the wall of Cohort 22, the 24 new grad nurses who started a year ago in 2015. They all look so happy and eager. Where are they all now? Of the 24, 16... Read More

  1. by   martymoose
    maybe if we weren't treated like crap and given unsafe assignments that risk our license everyday, people wouldn't leave.

    Nursing is one of the most ridiculous jobs out there.

    I'm rather upset that I wasted all these years and money thinking things might get better.Nothing like going to your job daily and worrying about the situations and short staffing you are subjected to.
  2. by   LadysSolo
    nuguynurse2b, are you kidding me? I realize it depends on where you live, but as an NP on salary, I average $35.00/hr when I do the math. I have NEVER made $40/hr., and I have a master's degree with 35 years experience (23 as an RN, 12 as an NP.)
  3. by   AnnoyedNurse
    Hence why I am not going to get my NP...as a matter of fact I am now Per Diem working once a month while I transition out of nursing.
  4. by   NuGuyNurse2b
    Quote from LadysSolo
    nuguynurse2b, are you kidding me? I realize it depends on where you live, but as an NP on salary, I average $35.00/hr when I do the math. I have NEVER made $40/hr., and I have a master's degree with 35 years experience (23 as an RN, 12 as an NP.)
    You basically answered your own inquiry - it totally depends on where you live. I got hired at a hospital as a new grad that was offering me $34/hr...
  5. by   Libby1987
    Quote from LadysSolo
    nuguynurse2b, are you kidding me? I realize it depends on where you live, but as an NP on salary, I average $35.00/hr when I do the math. I have NEVER made $40/hr., and I have a master's degree with 35 years experience (23 as an RN, 12 as an NP.)
    Where do you live/work?

    Our new hires with less than 2 years of experience, irrelevant at that, with 2 yr degrees start above $40/hr. M-F days. Affordable part of California.
  6. by   LadysSolo
    NE Ohio.
  7. by   Generic ER Nurse
    I just dropped out of my BSN program today and have come to the full realization that I am DONE with nursing after 6 years. DONE. I imagine this is what it feels like for an overseas soldier, at war, getting a letter that says the war is over and you will be home in a few months. It feels amazing.
  8. by   AnnoyedNurse
    Congrats! I did the same thing. But don't be bitter about nursing- we did change lives, we helped people, and we cared for the sick. We did our time, and now we move on! Good luck!
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Some of the garbage in this thread:
    Preventing call-ins

    "preventing call-ins" as expressed by some as if people have no right to call out or "owe it" to their boss to explain exactly WHY they call out for starters. It's not kindergarten or the military. Most heinous example: the one where the nurse was called into OC Med and forced to explain that repeated miscarriages were why she called out. Disgusting.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Feb 12
  10. by   Dragonnurse1
    Quote from beekee
    I'm a new grad working in a hospital, just 4 months. I had, effectively, 4 shifts of orientation. Then, I was set loose with a full load.
    Yes beekee, I was like you. I graduated my program in 1993. I graduated on a Friday and was working on the following Monday. I got 2 weeks of orientation to the hospital policies, you know the introduction to the MSDS, videos, evacuation plans, and went to my unit - the ED. I spent 2 weeks on days, I was basically running a holding unit of patients (4) and did not really get any orientation by my preceptor. 2 weeks and I went to nights and my first night my first patient was a pyridium overdose. Not a single "experienced" nurse stepped up to help, I was on my own. The physician had never seen such an overdose, neither had the nursing supervisor or pharmacist. I was pushing methylene blue on my first patient. A new grad, pushing a medication and following treatment protocols from the Doc's personal medical reference book. A new grad pushing a medication that was going to make your patient seize and I had no experienced nurse step up to help me. Want to talk about being scared, stressed, frantic and alone? E-wal tube, foley, charcoal, IV's, getting meds from the pharmacy and no help from the experienced nurses. I cried all the way home that next morning but it gave me determination.

    For me it was sink or swim but I graduated from a program that taught us how to think and function. During clinicals we had to go by the hospital and "pick up" our patients, we had to review the charts and the mars, we had to read through the doctors orders, research the diagnosis, we had to write med cards for every medication and be able to identify not only the reason for the use but the possible side effects. We had to write care plans, multiple page care plans with documented reasons for our actions. We were the only nurse the family saw during our shifts as our CI only watched.

    This is how I started and 9 years, 4 months and 17 days later I was forced to leave nursing due to a severe latex allergy. I watched new grads come in behind me, I watched as both ASN and BSN grads came into the department and I watched as every BSN collapsed and left the ED one after 16 weeks of orientation. I watched as only 2 ASN's lasted in the ED. I listened to the new grads talking about finding a Baby Doc (the residents) to marry. I watched as evenings would leave to hit the bars before going home. I was there when one person of that group came back to us the same night as a gun shot victim.

    I was there when our ED physicians confronted the hospital management about the "customer satisfaction" standards that were just really starting. When the ED physicians told management that the people we treat are patients not customers and that in medicine the "customer is NOT always right". I was there when one physician, jokingly of course, suggested we set up in the ambulance bay and offer work excuses, on Saturday and Sunday nights, for a flat fee and we include beer and fried chicken with them. I was there on nights when our shift came on to being 30 to 40 patients deep in the waiting room, empty rooms in the back and Physicians complaining bitterly about the lack of willingness to work on the part of days and evenings.

    I was there when my manager called me into the office to tell me about a complaint by the family of a patient about my "attitude" while splinting an ankle. I was there when I asked what the physician said about my splinting and the patients perception of my care. I was there when the manager grudgingly, I repeat grudgingly, had to tell me the physician said my splint was better than any he had seen come out of our ED and that the patient was grateful because it saved him from the possible loss of his foot. She was ready to blow a gasket when I told her that was all that mattered to me, the patient's care was all that mattered to me and NOT what the patient's family had to say. My biggest problem while working was the physicians all wanted me to help, said so in front of other nurses and that some patients families asked for me by name. My other problem was I was not afraid of management but nights had limited interaction with them but I would talk back and tell them when something was a dumb idea or down right wrong. It did not help that nursing supervisors would tell others in the ED to ask me questions at night and call only if I did not know the answer. I was chosen to attend WMD casualty training, burn training, to go to the closest meeting when Chest Pain Units were being set up, as the only one from the ED to attend. I was, after all, JUST an ASN.

    I was thrown into the deep end of the pool with other new grads, I CHOSE to swim, I CHOSE not to sink, I chose to run to the strange and unusual, I chose to keep learning after work instead of partying and I chose not to be eaten by more experienced nurses. I chose to push hard but I paid for it in a few ways. I cried a lot on my way home, I had one nurse on my shift at all times that I was close to and we "debriefed" every morning, we, nights, would meet on the parking deck after really bad nights and held our own "debriefing" as the hospital never provided ways to handle the really bad stuff. We finally found a way to help our own, on our shift and to stand up for each other including pulling a surgeon into an empty room and letting him know to never disrespect a nurse in my presence again. My "name" is not Dragonnurse without reason. However I digress. I chose not to be "that nurse" that never helped the new, never openly bashed a new nurse I chose to be what I wish I had had that first night with my first overdose.

    Believe it or not I was the quiet, shy one in nursing school but my program was tough and at that time they were proud of that. NETY is real but it is often the result, I think, of exhaustion and frustration with other aspects of the nurses job in today's environment of everyone for themselves and greedy hospital groups.
  11. by   beekee
    Dragonnurse1, funny you should comment n my post. Just tonight, I came home and decided I'm done with nursing. I can't do it. Frankly, I can't understand how anyone can. If I thought it was going to be half as bad as it has been, I would have never done this. It just isn't me.
  12. by   quixotic.dy
    Quote from Libby1987
    As long as thousands continue to bank roll these programs who stop at practicing with max 2 patients by 4th semester and never train and require a demonstrated ability to come close to working conditions, it's going to be more of the same.
    Agree 100%. I'm a new grad nurse who applied for a very competitive and respected program that just happened to decide to raise tuition and double enrollment the semester I started nursing school. This lead to so many growing pains it was ridiculous and my cohort was short changed as the school tried to figure out how to teach twice as many students not to mention the number of brand new clinical and lecture instructors I had. So it was like the blind leading the blind. The worst and biggest change was changing the precepting to just another clinical with 4 students and an instructor on the floor every week and we still had to be babysat while we passed meds. They were fine with us only having 3 patients to pass that clinical despite most of the hospitals in town, you will have 8-10 on a medsurg floor, 4-6 in IMC, and 1-3 in ICU (which is all the norm not the exception).
    I was lucky enough to be able to work as a nurse Apprentice (same scope as a LPN just unlicensed and only for nursing students) so I got to experience some of real nursing, including floating ALL THE TIME.
    The real experience was seeing how different nurses handled 8 patients and most were sinking.
    I haven't started my first job yet (soon though!) and I'm excited and scared because I know my nursing school prepared me to pass NCLEX not actually be a nurse.
    I sure hope that after a year I won't be ready to run for the hills.
  13. by   pearybrown
    Interesting article. I would add that the patients tend to have higher clinical needs with more technical needs as well. You get increased acuity with less experienced staff to cover them. A real grind.

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