Warning: Long...Need to bounce something off you guys re: administrative occurance. - page 2

I allowed myself to get into a pickle at work, and ended up getting a Level 2 administrative occurance- 1 step away from being fired. I have never even been written up before, and I am trying to... Read More

  1. by   EmerNurse
    I'm not seeing what you did wrong in this entire scenario. So you recommended someone for a job. You believed her illness to be well controlled. There are plenty of nurses out there working with mental illness, properly controlled by medication or therapy - you don't hear about them because they're busy doing their job.

    Really don't see how you could have forseen her decompensation nor how it could have been your fault. Wasn't your place to disclose her illness at the beginning - violation of her privacy. Later, when you believed her to be a danger, to you and possibly others, you disclosed your concerns.

    How in Hades this all comes down to you getting into trouble, is beyond me.
    Find another job. Your manager/HR is nuts (not that that's unusual these days). Good luck!
  2. by   PANurseRN1
    Please consider if you want this thread to remain posted. There is way too much identifiable info. in it, even if no actual names were mentioned. I can't imagine what might happen if your unbalanced co-worker read this thread (or any of your co-workers, for that matter).

    Agree with the others who said to get an atty.
  3. by   BBFRN
    Quote from ingelein
    HR is probably not terminating her at this time because she has a mental illness that is covered as a disability under the ADA, BUT they are also putting themselves at legal risk and their patients and staff at personal risk by keeping her on as an employee. I bet they are going to have her bring in documentation by her treating MDs, Phsyciatrists, etc. before allowing her to come back to work.Why they are disciplinining you, I dont know either, unless you violated some privacy type rule at work.Good luck, sounds like you are caught between a rock and a hard place, wouldnt hurt to get a consultation with an employment attorney.
    you are correct about how they are handling her.

    I was disciplined because they say I overstepped bounds as a charge nurse telling her not to tell this other person personal stuff.

    So, if that is the case, then isn't that what my boss did as well?
  4. by   BBFRN
    Quote from wildmountainchild
    I don't think we're getting the whole story here. As far as I can tell you didn't do anything wrong. Are they punishing you for hiring her in the first place?

    If there isn't anything esle to add I would get an attorney and fight the reprimand. Don't go down w/o a fight. However if you really feel you deserve some punishment but are upset b/c others didn't recieve any...you just have to let that go. As someone else posted...life isn't fair.
    Save yourself time and emotional wear and tear by forgiving if not forgetting. Don't hold onto anger, it just makes life harder in the end.

    Good luck.
    Thanks. I think maybe I should have gotten some sort of reprimand...I think. I'm just not sure it should have been so drastic.
  5. by   BBFRN
    Thanks to all for your replies. I have had issues with this mgr in the past, and should have gone to HR about it, but instead chose to transfer.

    I don't really want to leave this facility, though. I have formed some really great relationships there, and I love the staff there. The nurses, etc. are some of the best people I have ever worked with, and the new position I got was a great opportunity on the best unit in the hospital. I am excited about that at least.

    I have thought about seeking legal advice. I just want to make sure I'm not letting my ego take over, or feeling retaliatory. I'm just confused and bruised after the whole thing.
  6. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from Baptized_By_Fire
    you are correct about how they are handling her.

    I was disciplined because they say I overstepped bounds as a charge nurse telling her not to tell this other person personal stuff.

    So, if that is the case, then isn't that what my boss did as well?
    I still do not see a reason for a disciplinary action against you. What was going on sounds like personal issues, not specific work issues. Nothing personal should really be discussed at work (unless endangers pt care and is more than hearsay ) - you telling her to limit what she divulges shouldn't be grounds for discipline against you.
  7. by   burn out
    I think you were in a difficult situtation and the decisions you made were based on what you thought were true and just , in the end you are the one that has to live with the decisions you make and must be able to lay your head down at night to sleep. What concerns me is when the nut gets out and comes back to work..will there be a next time. You need to distance yourself from her even if it means leaving your job.
  8. by   SitcomNurse
    As someone to whom 'unstable' people are attracted to.. I can tell you.. this friendship is one sided, as her illness prevents her from treating you like a friend. Thats not to say she is a bad person, but is does mean that is situations like this, she never has your back, and you were only trying to have hers.
    Marriages can dissolve over 'irreconsilable differences' and you two will not, IMHO reconsile this, which again, may not be just resting on your shoulders, and probably has to do with her illness.

    I would:
    >>Fight the level of the write up.
    It is a first offence, and you are a side player, not a main ingredient to the occurance.
    >>Be the best nurse you can be in your new position.
    Even if you have had conflict with the NM you are going to be working under presently, if you back down and take this on the chin, she may view you as an easy target. Let them all know you wont sit in a corner for things that you didnt do wrong.

    good luck.
  9. by   Kymmi
    I also have read the OP and the replies several times and I cannot understand what you were actually written up for or what you did wrong. I think maybe part of the story was left out (not intentionally). I guess I should say it wasnt explained well enough for us to understand.
    I do agree that they are keeping her employed because of the ADA and I am willing to bet she'll be required to provide proof of ongoing care and mental stability.
    I would speak to HR about the situation and your concerns for the occurence being part of your employment record. I think transferring to another floor was a good move if you really want to remain at that facility however I'd probably be up front with your new manager regarding your concerns without giving any detailed info or personal info regarding your friend.
  10. by   BBFRN
    Quote from Kymmi
    I also have read the OP and the replies several times and I cannot understand what you were actually written up for or what you did wrong. I think maybe part of the story was left out (not intentionally). I guess I should say it wasnt explained well enough for us to understand.
    Actually, I didn't leave anything out. That's why I am so confused about this. I have searched my employee manual, and have not found anything that explains it to me, either. All I can say is I have had problems with this mgr before, and had already put in for a transfer far, far away from her. I had considered going to HR regarding the way she was treating me, but then her mother died, and she changed her communication style, so I didn't see a need to.

    Now I feel dumb for not doing so. See: http://allnurses.com/forums/f8/help-...ng-196556.html

    All I can get from this is that she is covering her butt. I have not yet received the formal written occurrence yet, so I don't actually know what the actual infraction is.

    I still don't have a clear idea of why the friend was going to HR about her. I was trying to stay out of that quagmire.
  11. by   BBFRN
    Update:

    Well, she tried to give me the write-up, and it said that I gave priveledged information to this person- which I did not do. Fortunately for me, I had 2 witnesses who were there when I said what I said. Add to that, the person that I actually said it to, and I should be cleared. I refused to sign the write-up, and talked to the director, who allowed me to transfer a few days early.

    I had never encountered being bullied by a boss before, so I regret not seeing the progression earlier. This has definitely been a learning experience!

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