touched inappropriately by patient - page 3

I suppose this has happened to almost everyone at some time or another, but one of my male patients grabbed my breast tonight--after he did his best to crush my fingers on testing his grip strength. ... Read More

  1. by   herecomestrouble
    I remember a pt I had a few years ago in a NH,had a reputation,one night he grabbed my breast,I yanked his hand away and told him not to ever touch me again.He just smiled and said"what can you do about it?Your not allowed to hurt me and I'll just say I'm crazy"So I wrote a very detailed report,charted everything,called the DON the next day and when I came back to work that afternoon they were just wheeling him out on a stretcher to a psych hospital.I stopped and smiled and said"that's what I can do about it"AAAAAHHHHH it felt so good
  2. by   catlynLPN
    Quote from herecomestrouble
    I remember a pt I had a few years ago in a NH,had a reputation,one night he grabbed my breast,I yanked his hand away and told him not to ever touch me again.He just smiled and said"what can you do about it?Your not allowed to hurt me and I'll just say I'm crazy"So I wrote a very detailed report,charted everything,called the DON the next day and when I came back to work that afternoon they were just wheeling him out on a stretcher to a psych hospital.I stopped and smiled and said"that's what I can do about it"AAAAAHHHHH it felt so good
    You go girl! Good for you!
  3. by   nyapa
    Quote from newohiorn
    P.S. I know much worse things have happened to many, many people at work and in their personal lives. I'm lucky in that I haven't really been treated like this ever before and it gave me a new perspective on how it makes somebody feel.
    Define "much worse"! To whom? This was pretty aggressive and inappropriate behaviour, and like everyone else says, it was criminal, literally. I know you found it difficult to assess his orientation, but what you could have done was documented his behaviour and how it changed in certain situations. The police should be informed if you feel it is necessary. Don't let him get away with it just because he is a patient.

    We have aggression and abuse forms, there is a standard format we must follow for each incident, the patient is informed that action has been taken and the doctors and the supervisor of the hospital is aware, and that the hospital police officer will be notified the next time this occurs. A copy of this documentation is then given to the sister in charge of the hospital for that shift. It is like a mini contract. We also have to indicate on this form that we have had some form of debriefing for ourselves.
  4. by   Jo Dirt
    Dirty old men will not change no matter how many charrges you press against them, may as well say (in a low voice) some vulgarities of your own toward them and leave it at that because they won't change.
  5. by   storm06
    It is a sad state of affairs when this type of behaviour is 'acceptable' or when nurses are encouraged to just deal with it - I know of no other profession that is expected to 'deal' with inappropriate behaviour like this.

    I remember being told during my training that being touched was going to happen and that we should accept it and deal with it. Again how many other people start a job and are told 'you may have your boobs grabbed but thats ok because the person is just demented?'

    As health professionals we encourage women/men to report abuse on all levels - physical, domestic, sexual and emotional. We should be teaching our students and ourselves that it is ok for nurses to report abuse of any kind. If you feel uncomfortable with the actions of your patients do something about it. If your workplace ignores it or does nothing to rectify the situation then surely they are in violation of occupational safety and health laws. The workplace has a duty of care to provide you with a safe workplace.

    It is easy to say 'oh well it was just one pinch on the bum/boobs. It bothers me - but I will let it go. The patient has dementia/is stressed/is out of it.' But is it ok to still be saying that after the 10th pinch? Or the 15th pinch? How long do you put up with that type of behaviour before it starts affecting you emotionally?

    I have had one to many inadvertant 'touches' or 'sorry my hand slipped' or 'how bout it love?' to ignore this type of behaviour any longer. And it upsets me to see other nurses putting up with it.

    On a lighter note - maybe if we all started wearing black belts with our uniforms patients would get the message and stay clear!
  6. by   newohiorn
    I'm going to file a police report today and then on Monday when I return to work I'm going to file an incident report and talk to my nurse manager. Then I'll decide whether or not to call the prosecutor with my police report and ask for charges to be filed. My husband is a cop and he looked it up for me and it is a misdemeanor charge of sexual imposition. He doubts the prosecutor will do anything with it but I would love for the prosecutor to even make a phone call to this jerk just to let him know that I tried to file charges. I just want it on record that this guy did this because I suspect this behavior is neither a first or a last and if he does something again I want there to be a record to show a pattern of behavior.

    Thanks again to all for support.
  7. by   whipping girl in 07
    I worked in neurotrauma ICU several years ago and it seemed like we always had one or two relatively young male trauma patients a year try to get away with similar behavior. One guy, a 20 something motorcycle crash was such a perv to all the female staff, young, old, fat, thin, cute or not so cute. No female could walk into his room alone. The first day after he was off the vent, we thought it was just because he had a little frontal head injury, but it didn't take long before we realized he was just dirty and it was intentional. He'd take off his pulse ox probe and lay it across his thigh, just south of his naughty bits and pull his gown up so you could see everything and ask you what you thought of it when you came it to put it back on his finger. I told him it was so small I couldn't see it and got a sticky pulse ox and put it on his toe. Made the day shift nurses so upset with his behavior while they bathed him, that the powers that be made him a night bath. There were no males on day shift, they were all on nights. He had a male nurse every night for the rest of the time he was in our unit and all of them would tag team his bath at the start of their shift.

    GRRR, four and a half years and he still turns my stomach...
  8. by   JailRN
    File the reports--you might find out this isn't the first time with this jerk. Around here, when there is a murder, serial rapist, or pedophile, there is more than one victim. Then comes the TV reports, "Why wasn't anything done before"?

    sigh

    I personally take the position, "Do not let my size (5'4"-110#) OR my age (54) fool you, because I will STOMP YOU INTO THE GROUND and mail whatever is left home to your Mamma in a small envelope." (usually whispered into their ear while smiling--especialy if there are witnesses)


    Then I deny,deny,deny!!




    Good luck--let us know how is goes...
  9. by   Jo Dirt
    Quote from konni
    I worked in neurotrauma ICU several years ago and it seemed like we always had one or two relatively young male trauma patients a year try to get away with similar behavior. One guy, a 20 something motorcycle crash was such a perv to all the female staff, young, old, fat, thin, cute or not so cute. No female could walk into his room alone. The first day after he was off the vent, we thought it was just because he had a little frontal head injury, but it didn't take long before we realized he was just dirty and it was intentional. He'd take off his pulse ox probe and lay it across his thigh, just south of his naughty bits and pull his gown up so you could see everything and ask you what you thought of it when you came it to put it back on his finger. I told him it was so small I couldn't see it and got a sticky pulse ox and put it on his toe. Made the day shift nurses so upset with his behavior while they bathed him, that the powers that be made him a night bath. There were no males on day shift, they were all on nights. He had a male nurse every night for the rest of the time he was in our unit and all of them would tag team his bath at the start of their shift.

    GRRR, four and a half years and he still turns my stomach...
    I guess I'm a dirty old woman at heart, because if he had looked like George Clooney he would have been okay by me.
  10. by   nyapa
    Quote from newohiorn
    I'm going to file a police report today and then on Monday when I return to work I'm going to file an incident report and talk to my nurse manager. Then I'll decide whether or not to call the prosecutor with my police report and ask for charges to be filed. My husband is a cop and he looked it up for me and it is a misdemeanor charge of sexual imposition. He doubts the prosecutor will do anything with it but I would love for the prosecutor to even make a phone call to this jerk just to let him know that I tried to file charges. I just want it on record that this guy did this because I suspect this behavior is neither a first or a last and if he does something again I want there to be a record to show a pattern of behavior.

    Thanks again to all for support.

    Good girl! But make sure you get some sort of debriefing as well.

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