Socialized Medicine: The Argument to Support Moving Forward

Many people have a misunderstanding that if the government funds health care then THEY control our health care - a concept which in all reality is impossible. What they do provide is funding for hospitals and any facility that delivers health care. It's up to the facilities to decide how to spend the funds allocated to them. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

They will run things as they do now except they would have a lot more input and would not be controlled by the insurance companies as they are today.

There would be a department within the Government whose main task would be to establish performance-improving strategies for the hospitals and a timeline for them to be met. Guidelines would be implemented for hospitals to follow and protocols would be initiated by the hospital itself to help them achieve the goals set out by the government. The aim being that care will be standardized across the country. This meaning that hospitals who provide substandard care now will be expected to improve their standards of care in the future. Of course, this would not be achieved quickly nor would it happen overnight, and yes it would cost money, but in the long run, it would be cost effective. The main aim is to improve the quality of care to the patient and at the same time establishing across the board initiatives which all hospitals would need to follow in order to ensure all hospitals are providing the same standard and quality of care. Independent companies would be established to govern the government for example in the UK they have an independent company known as NICE,

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"NICE is an independent organization responsible for providing national guidance on promoting good health and preventing and treating"

More emphasis would be made on care in the community, focusing on keeping the chronically ill out of the hospital and in their own homes. Health education would play a major role focusing on prevention rather than cure. For example, some of our expensive hospital beds are often taken up with the chronically ill which could well have been managed in their own home, freeing up valuable nursing time which can now be spent with the acutely ill. Opening up more opportunities for nurses to develop their skills and utilize their education for something other than carrying out orders from Doctors

NICE | The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence

Diabetes can be effectively managed in the home with a team of skilled health professionals, accessing the hospitals for major illnesses rather than glucose control. Nurses could play a major role with diabetics in the community, after all, a large part of our formal nursing education focuses on health education, which a lot of us struggle to find time to implement in the hospital environment

Patients will be more compliant with their medication because it is now affordable. They would not be worrying shall I pay the bills or shall I pay for my medication. This would mean Asthmatics, Diabetics, COPDers wouldn't be having the same crisis situations finding themselves in hospital costing a fortune.

Of course, there will always be non-compliant patients, this group will never change easily, but my question is would we see a reduction in non-compliant patients if we made medication affordable. If we had no co-pays for hospital, tests, procedures, scans or doctors visits? My guess is yes we would see a reduction because some of those non-compliant patients are in this situation through no fault of their own but because of financial constraints either due to a poorly paid job or their pension doesn't quite cover everything they need.

Health professionals could more readily access the schools, youth groups with a lot more health education, again focusing on prevention rather than cure. "Catch em, Young".

I am sure you will be saying to yourself we have all this anyway yes but it would be "free" to establishments affording them to spend their funds elsewhere within the education system but at the same time ensuring we start our children's knowledge of a healthy lifestyle off earlier.

Everybody could afford to be pregnant and access high-quality pregnancy care. It would not only be the rich who are able to afford expensive pre-natal care, classes and education it would be available to all without further cost. Pregnancy care is an ideal opportunity for health care professionals to discuss dental care, diet, smoking cessation, birth control, pap smears the list is endless of what you could provide in health education to the younger generation which they can take through life. This population has probably had not much in the way of health care since their teenage years so are ripe for further education, again focusing on prevention rather than cure.

Of course, we all have heard the horror stories of the NHS there are plenty of them, there are more of the negative kind than the positive kind mainly because we focus in on the negative more readily. The Media are only too happy to report stories which involve sensationalism and negative press than to focus in on the 'nice' stories because 'nice' stories don't sell newspapers. Have you always noticed how bad press is always top of the news whereas the nicer stories are thrown In at the end?

The UK is one small country, whereas the 50 states of America are almost like 50 countries so if we took all the negative press in one day from each of the states of America it would be interesting to see/read how many horror stories we would find from the current medical health care system in the USA. Then we could compare the horror stories to the ones reported from the UK then correlate the figures to establish which country offers greater health care and what cost.

Remember the people who pay insurance here in America it will not cost you any more money unless you choose to take out private health insurance. The difference is it will not cost you one cent more unlike now where there are numerous co-pays for anything you access.

Think about it NO co-pays for:

  • Doctors Visits
  • Blood Draws/lab work
  • Mammograms
  • Pap smears
  • Children's immunizations and check-ups
  • Emergency room visits
  • OT
  • PT
  • Speech and language therapy

The list is endless.

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ok folks, has anyone read the bill proposed?

let's remember that if hr3200 is passed the government will be acting as the insurance companies, shifting the power from private companies to the government. limiting and dictating the care we are to get, and not starting out with something that is proven to work for a certain aliment, starting with something that may work (and costs alot less)

and the question here is not "do we want healthcare for everyone?" because yes we all do! the question is do you support the proposed bill hr3200, please look for yourself... www.thomas.gov i know it is alot to read and take in, but make a informed descision for yourself!

what this bill proposes, is that all people must have adequate health coverage, and those who still can not afford it, or those who prefer homeopathic care will be fined with an excise tax- sec207 of the hr3200 (homeopathic care is defined as the care of the whole person, not just the symptoms) also taxing employers for not providing adequate health coverage to employees, and at the same time a few large top companies referred to as being exempt from providing adequate health care to employees. that is reason to ask questions!

hr3200 also proposed that we re-define the term "health care plan" for those 65 years of age and older, to include "end of life care", for anyone 65 or over, healthy or not.

the "free health care" that as some has perceived will not be across the board, it is proposed in hr3200 that health care and the cost of adequate coverage will be determined by demographics... that means that where i live, health care and adequate coverage could be "free and top of the line care", but where you live, health care and adequate coverage could cost more and the care could be less that acceptable. in this case, would you move to a "better demographical area" to ensure the care of you and your family? is that fair? here is reason to ask questions!

also, doctors and nurses as well as all health care workers will be demographically dispersed throughout the country, to where the need is, and be "asked" to accept payment rates, and schedules set by the government.

today in society where the doctors get kick backs from prescribing certain medications to patients, and when a patient comes in with a certain symptom, the treatment is usually for the symptom, not to find the cause of the symptom... because we have so many drugs for all of the symptoms, and prescribing medications is far more profitable than healing. do you think that would change? especially since the pharmaceutical companies are giving large amounts of money "to promote the health care bill hr3200"

i am for health care for everyone, but i do not support the health care bill hr3200! there are some good ideas and proposals made by the bill hr3200, but in all, it will be limiting our freedom! and freedom is what america is all about, and what our fore fathers fought for. are we taking this for granted?

and in case anyone dosen't already know... the health care bill is in 2 parts, the 1st of which was already passed with hr1 the american recovery and reinvestment act of 2009... look it up. did anyone know that was in there? so when i see americans going to these town hall meetings and standing up for themselves, their family and thier neighbors, i am hopefull that our great country will continue to stand for freedom!

i would rather everyone be healthy with less nurses needed, than have a job, even though i love being a nurse, and that is how i make a living.

i propose that everyones goal should be- truth, love and healing!

kickbacks? wha....? my husband gets the occasional ink pen.....maybe lunch......but cash? a trip to hawaii?

hahahahha

that's pretty funny.

Kickbacks? Wha....? My husband gets the occasional ink pen.....maybe lunch......but cash? A trip to Hawaii?

Hahahahha

That's pretty funny.

How long has your husband been a doctor?

I think they passed a law where they prevented kickbacks; but back in 1998, 1999, when I lived in the Miami area, my friend who was a doctor in south florida, would go on cruises, and always had good tickets to the sport games, among other things; I lost contact with him once he moved to Boston, but we met up a couple of years ago and he said that all the freebies were long gone b/c of some stupid law. And he did explain to me that he used to get 'kickbacks' based on what he prescribed or if he promoted specific drugs.

Guess the new york times is also a funny newspaper:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/health/policy/04doctors.html

WASHINGTON-Federal health officials and prosecutors, frustrated that they have been unable to stop illegal kickbacks to doctors from drug and device companies, are investigating doctors who take money for using these products.

Specializes in LTC Pharmacy.

My litmus test is the copy of the Constitution I carry with me at all times. If it's not in there, the Federal goobement has no legal authority to act.

I can't find anywhere in there where it says the goobs can step in and do what they're proposing and what you're supporting--and believe me, I've looked. I'd be willing to bet our Congresscritters would see that too--if they'd ever bothered to read that document. Healthcare is NOT a right, contrary to what bleeding hearts would have us believe. People who push for crap like this use psychological bombs like this to yank at heartstrings and try to guilt trip people into following along.

I can't find anywhere in there where it says we can bail out banks or car dealers, and many of the other bits that have been shoved up our asses lately.

This isn't new with Obama--we've allowed the Fed goobs to incrementally impose crap like this on us far too long. We've gotten what we deserve. Now it's time to wake up and put the engine in reverse.

So spout your opinions and your what-ifs all you want. If socialized medicine is so good, move to a country that offers it. What the Federal gooberment is purporting is illegal under the Constitution. Period. The argument ends there.

Molon Labe!

I thought everyone would enjoy this excellent article in the New York Times about the role of health plans and the issue of "real choice" that's missing in health care reform. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/26/business/economy/26leonhardt.html?_r=1&ref=health

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ok folks, has anyone read the bill proposed? ...

...i propose that everyones goal should be- truth, love and healing!

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

More Questions for MedSerg32RN:

1. Is that Massachusetts?

2. Are you happy with the system you have, as a state or not? On one hand you say that the 97% of people in your state are insured (which is good I guess...) but then you say that several public hospitals are near bankrupt... So do you think that your system should be implemented country wide or not?

3. Is the fine targeted into individuals without health insurance or businesses that don't insure employees?

Thank you

If in UK, poor women give births in toilets and corridors as article states, why the infant mortality rate in UK is lower then in US? Maybe they have a very clean and well equipped toilets?

Even if the article is honest, it is not an system in UK that is not working but a huge wave of immigration after expanding European Union that hit England.

Answers:

1. Is that Massachusetts?

Yes

2. Are you happy with the system you have, as a state or not? On one hand you say that the 97% of people in your state are insured (which is good I guess...) but then you say that several public hospitals are near bankrupt... So do you think that your system should be implemented country wide or not?

For me personally it has been fine, but I just read yesterday legal residents in MA don't qualify for any programs unless they have been in the state for 5 years. Good for the citizens terrible for non citizens. My daughter who will turn 26 won't be covered but will qualify for a plan at no cost. So if you are a citizen it is good, if you are not a citizen you have no coverage. If you work in a city hospital that gives care to non citizens it is bad.

3. Is the fine targeted into individuals without health insurance or businesses that don't insure employees?

Both, business and personal

If in UK, poor women give births in toilets and corridors as article states, why the infant mortality rate in UK is lower then in US? Maybe they have a very clean and well equipped toilets?

Even if the article is honest, it is not an system in UK that is not working but a huge wave of immigration after expanding European Union that hit England.

I agree that immigration has hit the UK hard, but this is also true for the USA.

I set an alert and I am seeing tons of articles from the UK with a similar theme. I don't know if these are stories akin to the National Inquirer, but they get lots of posts from readers.

Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES: You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California. "Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Socia...l Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted... "Jose Illegal" also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table". Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year Now take 30% away for state & federal tax Joe Legal now has $31,231.00 Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year, Jose Illegal pays no taxes... Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00 Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage $1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per yearJoe Legal now has $19,231.00 Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year..

I am against the gov't providing healthcare simply for the simple fact that the US Gov't isn't well known for handling it's money well. When I read the constitution I can't find the amendment that gives us the right to free healthcare. I'm not saying it doesn't work in other countries but people here in America people get crazy over free stuff. Remember the long lines when Denny's was giving out a free meal? It is human nature to be wasteful when you don't have to pay for something.