Pushing drugs for the Man bother anyone? - page 5

Hello All. I'm a newbie taking prereqs for a BSN. I just have one big nagging concern :uhoh3: keeping me from fully committing to the program. I want to help people, but I feel that the... Read More

  1. by   theworkingtouch
    Everyone seems to be jumping down her throat for feeling that way about the use (or overuse) of drugs. And let me back up here, I'm someone who would not be alive today if it weren't for drugs, so I'm not antidrug. I take meds everyday, but I don't take the slew of drugs my doctor wants to push on me (in fact she told me I was a bad consumer of the pharmaceutical industry).
    I do believe today's society reaches for drugs first without any concept of basic self care. I'm a massage therapist attending nursing school. Yes, I'm a little bit holistic, but not out in space. I was working a health fair at a local hospital where a woman sat on my chair and told me to be careful with her left shoulder blade because she just had a cortisone shot in it the day before. I asked what happened, she had just pulled a muscle the morning before!!! I question a doctor who wouldn't have recommended a cold pack and ibuprofen (assuming no contraindications), a little stretching and possibly a massage to help move inflammation out (not before 2 days after the injury). But the first choice is steroids?? We had an outbreak of something called an itch mite over labor day weekend here. You'd get bit, break out with redness (just like a mosquito bite), no inflammation, no fever, no systemic effects at all, just intense itching. 100's of people showed up in emergency rooms. Are you telling people don't know how to take care of a little bug bite, cool pack, calamine lotion. They'd spend a $1000.00 to have a medical person tell them nothing we can do for that, treat it like a mosquito bite. People's overreliance on medication and lack of understanding of how to take care of ourselves in incredible. And no, I don't need any of you to tell me maybe I'm making a bad career choice. I believe if you just ignore a problem, it won't go away. I believe you can make a difference person by person. There are plenty of people who want the easy way out, ignoring what the bodies really needs, and take drugs first. I also know there's a growing population who is becoming more disillusioned with our healthcare system and more willing to make the efforts to care of themselves, and it is HARD work to take care of ourselves. But it's that population I'm hoping to work with and hoping to inform. I hope to find a nice balance between necessary drugs and things individuals can do to help themselves and minimize their need for medications thus reducing the compounded effects of negative side effects.
    I know is a hard battle to undertake, but I think it's worth it, call me crazy call me a dreamer!
  2. by   Peppermintmocha
    I know what you mean. I hear docs telling patients with high cholesterol to take this med or that med. Oh and if your calcium is low take another pill. I never hear docs talk to their patients about life style changes such as putting down the donut and picking up an apple. They never talk to them about exercise and healthy living. It makes me furious. Everything is solved with medicine. I even went to the doc for a check up. They tell me at your age you need to start taking a calcium supplement. No one ever asked me about my diet or my intake of calcium. While there are times when you do need medicine, I am not discounting that. If people would live healthier lives they wouldn't end up in the position they are when they come to the hospital and need all those meds! This is a soap box of mine!!
  3. by   Diahni
    [quote=somebody;2471974]Hello All.

    I'm a newbie taking prereqs for a BSN.

    I just have one big nagging concern keeping me from fully committing to the program. I want to help people, but I feel that the western allopathic way of surgery/drugs is often very harmful (although sometimes needed in cases of trauma etc).

    Does pushing drugs for the giant pharmaceuticals bother anyone out there in the nurse world? I just don't know if I could live with myself doing it all day when I know that many problems could be solved simply by diet change etc.:spin:

    Please enlighten me![/quot

    Hi sombody,
    Oh yes, it's just awful - I love the way Colace (can you spell Hershey Squirts?) is given to every person who checks in. To be sure, it will drive you nuts. Ever notice that when a company comes up with a new psych med, all of a a sudden there's an epidemic of that particular disorder? It's depressing to think that the health of the drug companies is most served in the "health system" - That's a fact! This is well beyond the scope of this forum, but as long as corporations have legal "personhood" they will get away with murder. In some cases, literally.
    You could be a holistic nurse practitioner and call your own shots about how you want to help people either stay or get healthy.
    Diahni
  4. by   Diahni
    This world could use more dreamers.
  5. by   Diahni
    Quote from Suesquatch
    "The man"?

    I haven't heard that expression since Woodstock.
    Suesquatch: I assure you, "The Man" is alive and well, whether or not you've heard it recently. You'd be hearing more about the aforementioned "Man" if there were a draft, for starters. Maybe the term "military industrial complex" doesn't appear in the news these days, but Haliburton and Blackwater are are making a killing on killing as I write this.
  6. by   Happy2Beme
    Quote from Emmanuel Goldstein
    No way! They have the coolest pens!
    LOL. Love 'em myself. Nice fat ones that don't give ya writer's cramp.
  7. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from Diahni
    Suesquatch: I assure you, "The Man" is alive and well, whether or not you've heard it recently. You'd be hearing more about the aforementioned "Man" if there were a draft, for starters. Maybe the term "military industrial complex" doesn't appear in the news these days, but Haliburton and Blackwater are are making a killing on killing as I write this.

    Oh boy...and what does this have to do with the OT???
  8. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from Peppermintmocha
    I never hear docs talk to their patients about life style changes such as putting down the donut and picking up an apple. They never talk to them about exercise and healthy living

    Actually, I hear them say that to pts all the time. Problem is-pts don't want to hear that and they get defensive and angry.
  9. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    Actually, I hear them say that to pts all the time. Problem is-pts don't want to hear that and they get defensive and angry.
    i've always heard docs, teaching/encouraging healthier lifestyles also.

    unfortunately, in our quick-fix society, the magical meds are seemingly the easy way out.
    if pts aren't willing to implement major lifestyle changes, then meds are the next best solution.

    leslie
  10. by   PedsED-RN
    This has been an interesting thread to read through......
    As a nurse, we all obviously respect the power of drugs to help patients, it is a large part of our daily grind. Unfortunately, people today are all about the quick fix, without doing the work-not everyone, but a large percentage are not willing to make changes that could improve their health without adding meds. Thus is our reality.
    As far as the "Man", that is a tricky issue for me. Drug development and research costs a lot of money, but I do think that they spend a lot of money saturating the market with their products. (Granted, I am a pen freak too, so I do appreciate that aspect =) ) On that note though, some drugs cost waaaay more than they should.
    In school I did a day following a NP in a clinic. That day I was appauled by the significance of the drug reps in that clinic. I kept track all day, 13 reps came through peddling their respective wonder drugs, handing out freebies, and stocking the sample room, and one brought lunch. That wasn't so bad, but when it came time for writing scripts, the NP changed her mind a couple times, saying.."Oh, I like this rep better, I will give him the business." They were also scripts for cough meds and random stuff like that, by no means life-saving, but I was pretty suprised, my naive student self. One thing that clinic was good about though, I think they used those samples to supply some of their patients, as they were in a pretty low-income neighborhood. That was probably the only means those people had to get important meds to maintain their health.
    Anyways, enough of my rant, just thought I would share. Interesting comments though everyone. I have enjoyed reading as a new member, great forum!
  11. by   teeituptom
    Quote from somebody
    Hello All.

    I'm a newbie taking prereqs for a BSN.

    I just have one big nagging concern keeping me from fully committing to the program. I want to help people, but I feel that the western allopathic way of surgery/drugs is often very harmful (although sometimes needed in cases of trauma etc).

    Does pushing drugs for the giant pharmaceuticals bother anyone out there in the nurse world? I just don't know if I could live with myself doing it all day when I know that many problems could be solved simply by diet change etc.:spin:

    Please enlighten me!
    1 if that is your belief, you are entitled to it. But you are doing yourself a disservice going into nursing. Try degrees in Homeopathy
  12. by   teeituptom
    Quote from ERRNTraveler
    And they bring us free food!
    I always hold out for golf balls
  13. by   teeituptom
    Quote from Diahni
    Suesquatch: I assure you, "The Man" is alive and well, whether or not you've heard it recently. You'd be hearing more about the aforementioned "Man" if there were a draft, for starters. Maybe the term "military industrial complex" doesn't appear in the news these days, but Haliburton and Blackwater are are making a killing on killing as I write this.
    Its been changed to the Military and Petroleum Industrial Complex aka MPIC

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