New Grad willing to take a pay cut for employment?

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Reading through a bunch of new grad threads resulted in a few common ideas the most important in my opinion is the catch-22 idea that " we want to hire a nurse with experience, but no one is willing to give a new grad their shot at building acute care experience". This has caused a lot of frustrations with new grads trying to land their first gig. I know there are other issues at hand but I chose to focus on this one.

After reading "imported Care: Recruiting Foreign Nurses To U.S. Health Care Facilities Barbara L. Brush, Julie Sochalski and Anne M. Berger" http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/23/3/78.

The section "The Hiring Facilities" states that " Recruiting abroad may also be less costly than raising salaries, increasing benefits, and providing other economic incentives needed to retain domestic nurses". This leads me to believe that taking a pay cut as a New Grad RN would be actually beneficial. Before you tear me head off let me explain about my crazy theory.

Let us pretend the domestic RN gets paid $30.00 an hour. Whereas the foreign import gets paid $25.00 an hour. Let us also pretend everything else is equal benefits, experience, skill, professionalism, and so on. In the eyes of HR the edge between the two applicants would be with the foreign nurse. Based on simple cost effectiveness, you get the same work for less. The new grad would be locked out of the position and the foreign nurse would save th hospital a lot of money over time.

The Domestic new grad wont have their shot at building experience because they have been undercut. What about... now are you ready.... the domestic nurse takes a pay cut as well to even out the playing field, remove the edge from their competition. Now don't go off yelling yet give me a second, there is a method to my madness. You take a pay cut to make you more marketable, then you get that position, where you now have the chance to build that ever coveted new grad dream of their first "acute care job". Let us fast forward into the future let us say one year, i know it's not much time but just humor me.

You know apply for a position at another hospital and once again there are those new grads that just recently graduated. Let us also pretend the RNs with 15 years of experience didn't apply. It is you versus the new grads, but now you have an edge, now you have that time spent in acute care learning rather than been unemployed for months at a time. Now you don't have to take a pay cut, you have experience on your side.

Based on the model above does it make sense at all to take that initial hit in order to gain some experience? Or would it be better to apply and spend months unemployed?

I realize the model is simple, just wanted to see how everyone felt before other factors come into play.

Putting aside the whole idea of foreign nurses, there are plenty of reasons not to take a pay cut. I am a pre-nursing student, but have conducted some research hoping to gauge the job market when I graduate. As it stands now in my area (southern louisiana) American trained nurses with years of experience are taking pay cuts just to be able to find a job. Some nurses that I have talked to have went as far as to take new grad salary and benefits. As someone stated, it is a snowball effect. Now that hospitals and other hiring companies realize that they are able to hire nurses with 5, 7, even 10 years experience at the same rate as a new grad, why in the world are they going to hire someone with no experience for the same price?

If new grads start taking lower and lower salaries just to find a job, then companies will realize that this is the price we are willing to accept for our work. It will not be beneficial in the long run because it will become the norm.

Btw, just to add to my previous message....

It is so bad at some places in my area that companies are basically implementing ridiculous guidelines and policies *hoping* that the nurses with higher salaries will get fed up and quit so they can hire a cheaper work force.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
Putting aside the whole idea of foreign nurses, there are plenty of reasons not to take a pay cut. I am a pre-nursing student, but have conducted some research hoping to gauge the job market when I graduate. As it stands now in my area (southern louisiana) American trained nurses with years of experience are taking pay cuts just to be able to find a job. Some nurses that I have talked to have went as far as to take new grad salary and benefits. As someone stated, it is a snowball effect. Now that hospitals and other hiring companies realize that they are able to hire nurses with 5, 7, even 10 years experience at the same rate as a new grad, why in the world are they going to hire someone with no experience for the same price?

If new grads start taking lower and lower salaries just to find a job, then companies will realize that this is the price we are willing to accept for our work. It will not be beneficial in the long run because it will become the norm.

Therein lies the truth..........:smokin:

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

another disturbing article.......

.http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/320123/nurses-distress

I think it is not a bad idea. There are a lot of new nurses that are working in retail, or in a resturant to make ends meet until they get a nursing job as a new grad. I think we need to take care of our own nurses before importing them from anywhere else in the world. Most of these nurses would be making more than they are now in a part time job at a reduced rate as a new RN. Compared to a lot of jobs starting out making $25-30 an hour is not bad. O course you will be getting experience, and possibliy adding certifications to make yourself more marketable. Plus it would help to new grads get jobs before they have been out of a clinical setting for to long. It makes it harder for new grads to keep up in a new job learning at a fast rate when they have been out of school for over 6 months, and have not done any patient care or skills. I wish all the new grads the best. It is a hard time in our profession.

Specializes in ms, neuro, critical care, rehab.

To answer a post who asked if perhaps if the foreign nurse where from 1st world countries would there be such a backlash from RNs in US. My own opinion is that most EU (european union) RNs may not want to come here. Yes taxation in the EU may be higher but most citizens do not pay for health care. New mothers are given a stipend to stay home with the child until age 1 sometimes until they reach school age. Government also helps with childcare if needed. Most EU citizens enjoy much more vac time and holidays than do US citizens. Most countries would belong to the "midnight sun" club for summer seasons or perpetual darkness for winter seasons encourage their people to take holiday to the carribean islands d/t high rate of depression d/t dark winter months like alaska. IE Norway etc. Please correct me if I am wrong on these facts. I read a post from a UK RN. Perhaps she could help with these statistics. If there is truly a nursing shortage why is there not an effort placed into nursing schools, reduce the waiting time and increase the the number of students allowed?

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
To answer a post who asked if perhaps if the foreign nurse where from 1st world countries would there be such a backlash from RNs in US. My own opinion is that most EU (european union) RNs may not want to come here. Yes taxation in the EU may be higher but most citizens do not pay for health care. New mothers are given a stipend to stay home with the child until age 1 sometimes until they reach school age. Government also helps with childcare if needed. Most EU citizens enjoy much more vac time and holidays than do US citizens. Most countries would belong to the "midnight sun" club for summer seasons or perpetual darkness for winter seasons encourage their people to take holiday to the carribean islands d/t high rate of depression d/t dark winter months like alaska. IE Norway etc. Please correct me if I am wrong on these facts. I read a post from a UK RN. Perhaps she could help with these statistics. If there is truly a nursing shortage why is there not an effort placed into nursing schools, reduce the waiting time and increase the the number of students allowed?

MONEY$$$$$$ to those who have the politicians in their pockets....

Specializes in ED, Telemetry,Hospice, ICU, Supervisor.

Unions are not against foreign nurses. They are against the importation of indentured labor to replace the american worker for much lower pay. These "agencies" send "recruiters" to certain countries to "recruit" nurses to come to the US. They are offered "contracts" and "sponsorship" that "allow" them to come to the US "hassle free". Their fee's are paid by the agency and their VISA's are sponsored by the agency. They must sign contracts that binds them to the agency for a pre-determined amount of time to "work off"(indentured) what they owe in the fee's paid by the agency. They are "placed" in "low cost" agency housing and are guarenteed jobs. They are allowed to be "workers" (indentured laborers) to the agency for a fee. If, at anytime, they do not fullfill the said contract they are immediately deported and their VISA's revoked. These nurses are imported in large quantities through these "agencies".

The agencies contract with facilities for a flat rate. Because the facilites do not have to pay benefits or unemployment/workers comp fees or insurance benefits on these workers.......this makes the cost of the agency import nurses lucrative. The agencies provide workers, the salary given to these workers is barely over minimal wage, but is a huge amount of money compared to where they are from. Many are willing to sign anything just to get here to send money home. The agencies recieve more than their fair share back and reimbursed "lowcost" room and board........Once their contracts are fullfilled (paid back) these nurses are on their own to obtain their VISA...... but are usually not an issue as they are gainfully employed. Simply put.....indentured labor!

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Wait so these foreign RNs coming in that are "recruited" by these agencies are barely being paid minimum wage as take home?

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
Wait so these foreign RNs coming in that are "recruited" by these agencies are barely being paid minimum wage as take home?

BINGO!

Specializes in Intermediate care.

i got a job offer for $18/hr as a new grad last year in an ED.

i turned it down, i have to make a living which you can do on 18/hr but with my school loans (i attended a private school) 18/hr just was not going to cut it.

love my new job, and pays a lot more. Took a risk turning down that 18/hr job, but it all worked out in the end.

Specializes in ED, Telemetry,Hospice, ICU, Supervisor.
BINGO!

I know I sound naive but it's just such a surprise to find out that the practice is 100% legal

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