Mid-levels doing rounds who will NOT acknowledge or interact with nursing

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There is one nurse practitioner who does rounds for cardiology who will not talk to any nurses. She won't ask questions, won't even make eye contact. There's also a PAC who is almost as bad, and is haughty and condescending when she does deign to speak to one of the RNs. She will interact with the charge nurse however. She is also with the cardiology practice. It's such a detriment to quality care, in my opinion. It's ironic that every single one of the cardiologists is communicative, personable and easy to work with.

I find this behavior more common with the mid-levels. Are some of them insecure? The two women who do this also make a point to dress in lab coats and skirts, they dress more stereotypically like MDs than the women doctors.

My gut feeling, based on my knowledge of human nature, is that this type of mid-level practitioner is striving for recognition of what they perceive as their higher place of importance in the hierarchy of healthcare providers. Like a mid=level manager, they feel it is unwise to rub elbows with those beneath them. They exaggerate this behavior while becoming established in their practice in order to cope, then it becomes an ingrained part of how they operate. :idea:

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

I think the cardiologists have good working relationships with these two women. The other PACs in the practice are fine. The two I've mentioned go out of their way in communicating with the physicians in their practice, but the problem seems to be that they don't want to include nursing in the communication loop, they seem to want to keep up a barrier to that.

As I mentioned earlier, every cardiologist in the practice is easy to communicate with and approachable.

As far as me, alone, going to complain... That would be nonproductive. Lone complaints are usually perceived as being personal. These women do their job, they aren't abusive or hostile, they just don't do a good job of facilitating communication with the bedside nurse.

Incidentally, there are many mid-levels that are extremely good at communicating with nursing, especially the ones that started out as bedside nurses. I wasn't slamming all mid-levels here.

Specializes in Education, FP, LNC, Forensics, ED, OB.

Like traumaRUs said, don't let one or two bad apples spoil the whole APN barrel.

Some people are socially inept; nurses (RNs, LPNs, APNs), physicians, respiratory therapists, paramedics, etc......

Some are so focused that any outside distraction compromises a train of thought (that works against one).

Some are exactly as others stated: jerks, snobbish individuals.

I always make a point to speak to the nurses and get their input as they are the ones who have their "fingers on the pulse" of the patients under my care.

KUDOS to you ALL!!

Specializes in Advanced Practice, surgery.

I know I am slightly different because I work in the UK but I have to agree with Trauma and sirI, there are some really rubbish NP's out there but there are even more good ones.

As a NP I make a point of finding the nurse looking after my patients to pass information on and get information,if they are busy with personal care when I come visit my patients I help them out with washing and turning, it gives me time to assess bits that I may not usually get to see.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

We have one NP who works with the hospitalists that is really awesome and will roll up her sleeves and help with care like that, Sharrie. She was a bedside nurse for years before going for her advanced practice.

Specializes in Advanced Practice, surgery.

One of my most favourite things in nursing is giving a dependent patient a really good bed bath and it's something that I really miss being away from the wards, so any chance I get to roll my sleeves up I'm there :D, my boss just rolls his eyes and laughs at me now.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

I knew you were a good egg, Sharrie!!! I just knew it.

I think that in some situations NPs, PA's get in tough situations. Some have an absolutely awful time with internists because they are in direct competition. I have witnessed this. I also have seen ICU nurses, dress down NP's, PA's on rounds to be sure that everybody is aware of who is boss in the ICU (duh, of course we know you are the boss ICU nurses... now put your guns away! :heartbeat). These NPs, PA's end up sneaking around... and are unhappy. I feel for them sometimes.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

Interesting perspective secondwind. The social hierarchy of the hospital would make a fascinating study for a sociologist.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

Just an update on this. The NP I mentioned, I really think she's super shy after all. I saw her yesterday and today. I'm making the effort to make eye contact and smile at her. She tries to walk through there with her head down and avoid eye contact, I think she is really, really shy and out of her element.

I've been shy before and people misinterpret it as aloof. I got her to say hi and smile. Maybe I'll get her to talk eventually.

Who really cares enough to figure them out? Just do your job and the heck with them.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.
Who really cares enough to figure them out? Just do your job and the heck with them.

I care about making people feel welcome in our unit and opening lines of communication between providers. If she's painfully shy rather than aloof, then it would help to make her feel accepted and included. I think we have been misinterpreting her unfriendliness. If we can draw her out then maybe she'll feel comfortable enough to talk about the patients with us.

Plus, she's a human being and people are interesting! ;)

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