Meth is destroying communities - page 2

I am originally from a small town in southern West Virginia. I have lived away from the area for about 8 years now, but I continue to go back 3-4 times a year to visit family and friends. I have... Read More

  1. by   Josh L.Ac.
    Quote from WVUturtle514
    Really informative site showing meth lab incidences by state....I'm shocked at the number of meth labs in Missouri.

    http://www.dea.gov/concern/map_lab_seizures.html

    We rock.


    I remember a decade ago they called it "hillbilly cocaine". At first I thought it was a fringe thing...you know, always had a friend or aquitance that was doing it, but nobody else. Then I dated a girl that had gone to rehab for it. Then a couple of friends started doing it. Then one of my friends from high school got busted for running a meth lab. Next thing you know, it is absolutely everywhere. A girl I used to babysit next door stole her mom's checkbook to forge checks. I'd run into people I know from my youth and the look like they aged 25 years in the span of a decade.

    On a side-note, I fail to see how legalizing pot would lead to more meth use. The most frequent drug combining with meth that I've seen is:

    meth + alcohol


    Apparently this combo is great because you can drink all you want without getting to drunk. Then you randomly attack some guy at a party, get booted, then run your car into a telephone poll at 120 mph.

    That happened to a girl that got kicked from a small gathering at my house once. We had no idea she was high as a kite...we just thought she was drinking like a fish and had a bad temper.

    She died.


    In conclusion: meth sucks.
  2. by   StNeotser
    I'm afraid I don't know of anyone doing it or haven't heard of anyone either. I guess I ought to find out more because I have a twelve year old daughter.

    I'm surprised that parents in nice houses suddenly find the need to do such a thing. I always thought that drug taking initially started when people were in their teens. Is this drug different than others?

    One thing I do know, on Dog The Bounty Hunter practically everyone he picks up is doing Meth.
  3. by   SimonJester
    "On a side-note, I fail to see how legalizing pot would lead to more meth use."

    It just seems to me that many of the meth addicts I know of started out as pot heads… It could just be a personality thing…

    I also believe the mass legalizing of one currently controlled substance will open a turning point in our society for the legalization of other drugs.
  4. by   Josh L.Ac.
    Quote from StudentSpouse
    "On a side-note, I fail to see how legalizing pot would lead to more meth use."

    It just seems to me that many of the meth addicts I know of started out as pot heads... It could just be a personality thing...

    I also believe the mass legalizing of one currently controlled substance will open a turning point in our society for the legalization of other drugs.

    I have seen that, but most of my friends that made the progression from alcohol --> tweed --> meth seemed to be more focused on breaking the law, getting away with something, or trying to be cool.

    We could look at statistics from countries that legalize pot, but we can't neatly apply that to the US.

    But I don't know if I buy into the slippery-slope argument about first weed then crack. We re-legalized alcohol in the 30's [right? or was it the 20s] and there wasn't a rapid increase in the number of legalized drugs. Granted, it is fuzzy to look back in history and apply it to the present...kinda like it is hard to look at stats from another country and apply them here. Ah nevermind.
  5. by   WVUturtle514
    Here is another site that has some pictures of meth users over time. If this drug can affect your outside appearance this drastically, I can only imagine what it's doing to the inside of your body.

    http://www.methmadness.com/facesofmeth.html
  6. by   Josh L.Ac.
    Quote from WVUturtle514
    Here is another site that has some pictures of meth users over time. If this drug can affect your outside appearance this drastically, I can only imagine what it's doing to the inside of your body.

    http://www.methmadness.com/facesofmeth.html

    I remember seeing that on the news in Seattle a year ago.


    You should put a spoiler - "Do not watch 30 minutes prior to sleep."
  7. by   slu_rn
    I'm originally from southern WV too. What town WVUturtle?

    And yes the number of labs in Missouri are overwhelming. We have a horrible problem in the STL area with meth. My understanding of the drug is that it's 100% addictive with the first use because it kills receptor sites in the brain that allow us to be happy and feel pleasure. Therefore, in order to feel that way, they MUST have the drug. It's so sad. I have heard that they're now mixing Fentanyl in Heroin and chewing Fentanyl patches like gum in order to try to get the same high. We have had at least one death from the accidental swallowing of a Fentanyl patch. It's so sad.
  8. by   WVUturtle514
    Slu06,

    As far as what you wrote about it killing brain cells, from what I've read, it seems that meth prevents the reuptake of dopamine, norepinephrine and serotonin from the synaptic cleft in the brain. It also causes an increased release of these neurotransmitters as well. As a result of this, the receptors in the post-synaptic membrane will down-regulate themselves (decrease in number). When this down-regulation occurs, there are very few receptors for our endogenous neurotransmitters to act on and therefore users must increase their usage of meth in order to have the same effects. This down-regulation can also lead to severe depression once the meth use is stopped.
    Last edit by WVUturtle514 on Aug 29, '06
  9. by   LoveMyBugs
    The meth epidemic stared here in Portland and has slowly started working its way across the country. Sadley what you are experiencing in the east has been going on for decades in Oregon. My ex, is a meth addict, this drug is highly addictive. He has been in rehab three times and failed, and is suffering from " meth-mouth" where your teeth are rotting from the inside out and the only thing the dentist can do is pull the teeth. Recently law have been passed in Oregon that you need a prescription for things like suitafeied. Also if your house is raided for meth labs and you have children, the state immideitally moves to terminate parental rights, no more second chances for meth addicts. Which is what has happened to my ex, after we got divorced he had another child with his meth head girlfirend they got into a fight and the police were called, the baby is now up for adoption.
  10. by   slu_rn
    That's what I meant. When I said "killing cells" it kills the receptor sites. It doesn't destroy the chemical itself, just the body's ability to use it.
  11. by   Roy Fokker
    Quote from StudentSpouse
    And to think we are considering legalizing more of our currently illegal drugs...

    How many people now addicted to meth started out with a lesser drug.. Be it alcohol, pot …
    I know what drugs have done to my family. I still say drugs shouldn't be criminalized.

    The "gateway theory" isn't that simple - it relies on other factors such as involvement with criminal elements etc [personally, I think it's an oversimplification of a complex issue, with a lot of 'co-relations' passed off as 'causalities'].

    As a healthcare worker, I advise clients against drug useage.
    As a free human being, I believe people should be free to do what they want to their own bodies.

    That's all I have to say about that.


    cheers,
  12. by   LoriAlabamaRN
    There is a huge difference between meth and pot. I don't see pot as a gateway drug at all, at least no more than ETOH. There will always be people who go after the addictive drugs. I think if pot were legalized that the addictive personalities might just get their high from that since it's easy to get, and perhaps meth use would decrease as fewer people turn to it. Personally, I think pot should be legal. We would get billions in taxes and the regulatory measures could be the same as ETOH.

    As for the meth, I think it is horribly sad. I've seen patients over and over that look like death. I took care of one lady that I assumed was in her sixties- no teeth, huge wrinkles, eyes sunk in, skin like leather. I was absolutely shocked when I saw that she was only 29. I honestly thought they had made a bad mistake on admission and questioned the patient herself. Yup, 29 years old and a meth addict for 10 of those years.

    So incredibly sad.
  13. by   twinmommy+2
    Quote from WVUturtle514
    Here is another site that has some pictures of meth users over time. If this drug can affect your outside appearance this drastically, I can only imagine what it's doing to the inside of your body.

    http://www.methmadness.com/facesofmeth.html
    I clicked on the URL to see the link right when one of my 4 year old twins came walking into the room. She said right away "look Mommy, Zombies!" ain't that the truth!

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