LPNs and RNs---does your hospital see a difference?

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In our hospital there is very little distinction between RNs and LPNs. The RNs have to do the IVPs, change the care plans, give blood, do an initial assessment on a new admit. Otherwise, each carries the same load, makes the same decisions, does the same work. The LPNs will place patients, assign staff, take "charge" with whatever is going on with their patients without telling the RNs, etc. Most get upset when an RN, even the charge RN, even inquires about what is going on with a patient because they feel the RN has no right to interfere with an LPN's patient. Reports are done person to person so no-one, not even the designated charge, has much of an idea what is going on with the other patients on the floor. It is hard because the RN is technically legally responsible and because it is hard to have the same number of patients and have to step in to do the IVPs and blood while still having the same patient load. Oh, and the "charge RN' has the same load as everyone else. I would like to see more of a team approach but the LPNs have ruled this out over the years. Is your facility like this?

Specializes in EMS, ER, GI, PCU/Telemetry.
My friend and I were just talking about this the other day...she was saying that it is cruel to take money (and so MUCH) from Medical Assisting and even LPN programs if the prospects for obtaining a position is slim. They really might as well just cancel the darned programs. And, yes, I totally agree...this is a major peeve with me...if you can be grateful to train CNAs to further their scope of practice, but, yet, the RN is totally responsible for the outcome of their performance, why not hire an LPN who can do more, and is yet, responsible for her own practice? At least this way, you do know that she has to stand before the same BON as the RNs and possibly lose her license from ommission or commission.

this is nothing against CNA's at all... just elaborating on this thought...

here in NC, they have a CNA 2 program, where CNAs can go and get extra training to be able to perform trach care, bolus g-tube feedings, g-tube care, simple dressing changes, catheter insertion and phlebotomy. i don't know why that is not a bigger issue with allowing the CNA 2's to perform trach care and PEG feedings etc on their patients since they are unlicensed. if the patient were to aspirate or the trach dislodge--the RN would take the complete fall for that.

i suppose it is bc it is cheaper for the hospital to pay them than to pay a LPN.

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.
this is nothing against CNA's at all... just elaborating on this thought...

here in NC, they have a CNA 2 program, where CNAs can go and get extra training to be able to perform trach care, bolus g-tube feedings, g-tube care, simple dressing changes, catheter insertion and phlebotomy. i don't know why that is not a bigger issue with allowing the CNA 2's to perform trach care and PEG feedings etc on their patients since they are unlicensed. if the patient were to aspirate or the trach dislodge--the RN would take the complete fall for that.

i suppose it is bc it is cheaper for the hospital to pay them than to pay a LPN.

Things like this make me bonkers...:bugeyes:

LPNs not using as much

Specializes in ER/EHR Trainer.

Well now there is more of a difference in NJ-Saint Clare's system is laying off 700 people-yesterday I heard a great majority were the LPNs-many of which knew people in my ER. They only want RN's in the sytem, and the jobs I had seen posted were specifically aimed at BSNs a few months ago.

If anyone has read about my FIL demise and failure to rescue, it wasn't the LPNs; it was the new RNs-a couple who graduated with me and several with

We can't lump everyone into one boat, but I truly believe the reason healthcare is so screwed up, and nursing takes a beating is due to our differences. The reality, you have to be smart to be a nurse-we need to use those smarts and make management see through our solidarity, rather than our differences that we are a force to be reckoned with!

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